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Economic Growth Won’t Save Social Security: New Paper Release
By Romina Boccia and Dominik Lett
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Can the United States outgrow Social Security’s financing problem or
inflate away the resulting debt? The answer is a resounding no. The
program’s rising costs are baked into its structure, with benefits
automatically increasing alongside higher wages (coinciding with higher
economic growth) and inflation. With fewer workers supporting more
retirees, there’s no realistic path to balance without confronting the
program’s flawed design. Delaying action will only make inevitable fixes
more painful, including by forcing deeper benefit cuts and/​or higher taxes.

In a new Cato policy analysis, we take a deeper look at how Social
Security’s benefit and revenue design interacts with changing economic
conditions, focusing on the stagflation episode of the 1970s and
subsequent Social Security insolvency crisis as a case study to inform
addressing the current budget shortfall. You can read it here.

Why Is Social Security Running Out of Money?

Longer lifespans, lower birthrates, and an overly generous benefit
formula are driving Social Security’s insolvency. In 2023, Social
Security ran a $133 billion deficit. That deficit will only grow in size
over the coming years. By 2033, annual cash-flow deficits, including
interest costs, will be $665 billion (see the graphic below). Without
reforms, the exhaustion of Social Security’s borrowing authority—at
trust fund exhaustion—will trigger automatic across-the-board benefit
cuts of around 21 percent under current law.


A key driver of these deficits is Social Security’s demographic crisis.
Since the program was created in 1935, life expectancy at birth has
increased by nearly 16 years. Over the same period, Social Security’s
full retirement age has increased by just 2 years, failing to reflect
increases in longevity. Meanwhile, birth rates have declined. Because
Social Security depends on today’s workers to fund current retirees,
these twin demographic trends mean that fewer taxpayers are supporting
more beneficiaries, straining the program’s finances.

To make matters worse, Social Security’s benefit formula ensures that
benefit costs rise over time. To calculate a beneficiary’s benefits, the
Social Security Administration (SSA) follows a complex formula, which
involves indexing past wages to reflect the growth in wages to today.
The SSA then adjusts those benefits to grow with annual inflation using
an inaccurate inflation index. Inadvertently, this formula causes
benefits to grow more generous over time in absolute terms (nominal
increases) and relative terms (in excess of inflation). Without reforms,
the resulting spending increases will continue to outpace revenues,
deepening the program’s deficits.

The Issue With “Outgrowing” the Deficit

Hoping that economic growth will solve Social Security’s financial woes,
as some politicians have suggested, is a pipe dream. Because Social
Security benefits are indexed to wages, higher economic growth brings
both higher revenues and higher benefits, leaving the long-term fiscal
problem unresolved. In the best case, faster economic growth would only
push back the trust fund insolvency date by a few years at most.

Take the 1990s, for example. During this decade, the US experienced a
boom in productivity and capital investment thanks to technological
innovations, favorable demographics, reduced global tensions, and
globalization. However, these circumstances barely improved Social
Security’s budgetary future, leaving insolvency looming on the horizon.
Per the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, even if the US
returned to the levels of capital growth, productivity growth, and labor
force participation seen in the 1990s, it would fail to fix budget
shortfalls driven by growing benefit costs and worsening demographics.
In short, growth buys time but not solvency.

Lessons from the 1970s

If anything, history shows that depending on economic growth to
stabilize Social Security’s finances is not just unrealistic—it’s
dangerous. The last time the US faced a Social Security insolvency
crisis, deteriorating economic conditions destabilized the program more
rapidly than expected and resulted in last-minute, inadequate policy
changes.

During the 1970s, stagflation—high inflation combined with stagnant wage
growth—sent Social Security’s costs soaring while tax revenue lagged. In
just six years, Social Security went from solid financial footing to
projected insolvency by 1983. Predictably, policymakers waited until the
last moment to rush through fixes to avoid major benefit cuts. But those
changes didn’t fix the problems at the program’s core, which make it
unsustainable.

Today, the Social Security program faces even larger budget shortfalls
than those faced in the 1970s. Ominously, the 21st century’s demographic
and benefit design problems come at a time of dwindling fiscal space,
with the federal government racking up high debt with
multi-trillion-dollar annual deficits. Per the Congressional Budget
Office, the US will average $2.1 trillion in annual deficits over the
next decade, resulting in a public debt of $52 trillion by 2035. This
massive and growing debt burden could produce similar stagflation
conditions as experienced during the 1970s, increasing inflationary
pressures, reducing productivity, and slowing wage growth even without a
sudden bond market panic.

Such conditions—whether triggered by an acute fiscal crisis or brought
about by a slow decline—are a roadmap to faster Social Security
insolvency, resulting in bigger deficits as benefits rise faster than
inflation while tax revenue lags.

Let’s Avoid Repeating the Same Mistakes

Rather than waiting until the last moment to pass band-aid fixes,
Congress should begin laying the groundwork for comprehensive Social
Security reform now. A key principle of this reform effort should be to
more closely align program revenues with benefits on an annual basis,
not push back insolvency by a few decades on paper, as Congress did in
1983 while using Social Security’s surplus revenues to fund other
government expansions. Promising options include:

Gradually raising the retirement age and permanently indexing the
retirement age to account for increases in life expectancy;
Indexing initial benefits to prices rather than wages, protecting
beneficiaries against inflation while reducing long-term cost growth;
Improving the accuracy of cost-of-living adjustments by using a more
accurate inflation index (the C‑CPI‑U);
Reducing benefits for the highest-income retirees, entailing lower
economic costs in comparison to an across-the-board payroll tax rate
increase or lifting the payroll tax cap;
Shifting from an earnings-related benefit to a flat benefit, relying on
a more predictable, transparent, and cost-effective method to prevent
old-age poverty.
The only real fix to Social Security’s deficits will be to confront the
program’s structural flaws, including by adjusting benefits and
eligibility to reflect demographic and economic realities. That’s not an
easy conversation, but kicking the can down the road will only
exacerbate the program’s deficits and worsen the overall economic
outlook, making inevitable, necessary policy reforms all that more painful.

Read the full policy analysis here.
Darth Xmas
2025-02-13 23:48:29 UTC
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Economic Growth Won’t Save Social Security: New Paper Release
By Romina Boccia and Dominik Lett
Social Security is a Ponzi scheme. Medicare and SS should be canceled.
Workers will get an instant 7% pay raise and businesses will have an
immediate increase in income. If a person has no retirement savings and/or
pension they can use MAID to reduce their suffering.
Baxter
2025-02-14 03:32:47 UTC
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Economic Growth Won’t Save Social Security: New Paper Release
By Romina Boccia and Dominik Lett
Social Security is a Ponzi scheme.
SS is insurance. If SS is "a Ponzi scheme", then every insurance out there
is "a Ponzi scheme".
mxplztylc
2025-02-14 16:59:21 UTC
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Post by Baxter
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 15:02:51 -0800, a425couple
Economic Growth Won_t Save Social Security: New Paper Release
By Romina Boccia and Dominik Lett
Social Security is a Ponzi scheme.
SS is insurance.
Nominally.
Post by Baxter
If SS is "a Ponzi scheme", then every insurance out
there is "a Ponzi scheme".
Largely true - astounded you can even grasp such an advanced economic
truth, Leeeroi.
a425couple
2025-02-14 18:52:44 UTC
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Post by a425couple
Economic Growth Won’t Save Social Security: New Paper Release
By Romina Boccia and Dominik Lett
Social Security is a Ponzi scheme.
SS is insurance. If SS is "a Ponzi scheme", then every insurance out there
is "a Ponzi scheme".
Baxter again proves he is an IDIOT !

Vast majority of insurance policies are properly funded.

(I am in favor of continuing Social Security largely as it currently
exists ((to help those who have fallen into dependence on it))
but with important actuary changes to make it viable
((gradually and slowly increase age of payouts and increase tax rate.))
I maybe for it, but it is not insurance.)

An insurance plan collects from individuals who pay in for
the funds to grow prior to being needed. When our Social Security
started, it immediately started paying out to individuals
who needed it and had never payed in one cent!

Is There a Right to Social Security?
Cato Institute
https://www.cato.org › commentary › there-right-social-s...
Nov 25, 1998 — Social Security is not an insurance program at all. It is
simply a payroll tax on one side and a welfare program on the other.
Your Social ...

ou worked hard your whole life and paid thousands of dollars in Social
Security taxes. Now it’s time to retire. You’re legally entitled to
Social Security benefits, right? Wrong. There is no legal right to
Social Security, and that is one of the considerations that may decide
the coming debate over Social Security reform.

Many people believe that Social Security is an “earned right.” That is,
they think that because they have paid Social Security taxes, they are
entitled to receive Social Security benefits. The government encourages
that belief by referring to Social Security taxes as “contributions,” as
in the Federal Insurance Contribution Act. However, in the 1960 case of
Fleming v. Nestor, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that workers have no
legally binding contractual rights to their Social Security benefits,
and that those benefits can be cut or even eliminated at any time.

Ephram Nestor was a Bulgarian immigrant who came to the United States in
1918 and paid Social Security taxes from 1936, the year the system began
operating, until he retired in 1955. A year after he retired, Nestor was
deported for having been a member of the Communist Party in the 1930s.
In 1954 Congress had passed a law saying that any person deported from
the United States should lose his Social Security benefits. Accordingly,
Nestor’s $55.60 per month Social Security checks were stopped. Nestor
sued, claiming that because he had paid Social Security taxes, he had a
right to Social Security benefits.

The Supreme Court disagreed, saying “To engraft upon the Social Security
system a concept of ‘accrued property rights’ would deprive it of the
flexibility and boldness in adjustment to ever changing conditions which
it demands.” The Court went on to say, “It is apparent that the
non-contractual interest of an employee covered by the [Social Security]
Act cannot be soundly analogized to that of the holder of an annuity,
whose right to benefits is bottomed on his contractual premium payments.”

Social Security is not an insurance program at all. It is simply a
payroll tax on one side and a welfare program on the other. Your Social
Security benefits are always subject to the whim of 535 politicians in
Washington.

The Court’s decision was not surprising. In an earlier case, Helvering
v. Davis (1937), the Court had ruled that Social Security was not a
contributory insurance program, saying, “The proceeds of both the
employee and employer taxes are to be paid into the Treasury like any
other internal revenue generally, and are not earmarked in any way.”

In other words, Social Security is not an insurance program at all. It
is simply a payroll tax on one side and a welfare program on the other.
Your Social Security benefits are always subject to the whim of 535
politicians in Washington. Congress has cut Social Security benefits in
the past and is likely to do so in the future. In fact, given Social
Security’s financial crisis, benefit cuts are almost inevitable. Several
proposals to cut benefits, from increasing the retirement age to means
testing, are already being debated.

In contrast, under a privatized Social Security system, workers would
have full property rights in their retirement accounts. They would own
the money in them, the same way people own their IRAs or 401(k) plans.
Congress would have no right to touch that money.

Opponents of privatizing Social Security often warn that it would be
risky to rely on private markets to provide retirement benefits. But,
with the Social Security system more than $10 trillion in debt, being
forced to rely on the unsupported promises of politicians is far more
risky. By giving individuals ownership of their own retirement money,
privatization would guarantee the security of retirement.

Indeed, only privatization would give Americans a true right to their
Social Security.

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mxplztylc
2025-02-14 19:01:23 UTC
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Post by a425couple
An insurance plan collects from individuals who pay in for
the funds to grow prior to being needed. When our Social Security
started, it immediately started paying out to individuals
who needed it and had never payed in one cent!
This is the meat of it, the "new deal" was an old con.

But like you I favor phasing it out as opposed to nuking it.
Baxter
2025-02-15 03:26:30 UTC
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Post by Baxter
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 15:02:51 -0800, a425couple
Economic Growth Won’t Save Social Security: New Paper Release
By Romina Boccia and Dominik Lett
Social Security is a Ponzi scheme.
SS is insurance. If SS is "a Ponzi scheme", then every insurance out
there is "a Ponzi scheme".
Baxter again proves he is an IDIOT !
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Yes, Social Security is a social insurance program that provides benefits
based on payroll taxes. It's the largest income-maintenance program in
the United States, covering nearly 96% of jobs.

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You Haven't Earned Your Social Security -- It's Welfare
No, Social Security is not welfare, but it is a federal program that
provides income to people in need. Social Security Disability Insurance
(SSDI) is not welfare either.
mxplztylc
2025-02-15 06:28:00 UTC
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Dumb fuck has given his atrophied remnant mind to leftard AI, wotta
surprise!
Darth Xmas
2025-02-15 15:54:41 UTC
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I'm not interested in what a pre-programmed computer has to say about an
issue.
mxplztylc
2025-02-15 18:37:35 UTC
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I'm not interested in what a pre-programmed computer has to say
about an issue.
Well for fucking sure Larry GODDAMNED Ellison is!

You know, the guy Trump had up on stage with Sam (little man) Altman
bragging about how we're going to control AI!

The same little puke that's playing pissing games with Musk.

Yeah right Larry, let's feed AI all our health care data and make the
next Plandemic DNA specific by individual.

No need for human demons like Dr. Fraudci, we can hand the genocide off
to a quantam box of little horrors.

https://endtimeheadlines.org/2025/02/larry-ellison-wants-the-u-s-to-unify-all-the-national-data-and-then-feed-it-to-ai/

"Speaking at a recent event, Ellison advocated for unifying all U.S.
national data into a single system that could then be analyzed and
leveraged by artificial intelligence.

Ellison, whose company Oracle has been deeply involved in cloud computing and AI-driven data management, believes that consolidating national databases into a single AI-powered system would revolutionize decision-making in sectors like healthcare, security, and governance.

According to Business Insider and CNBC reports, he argues that fragmented data systems hinder efficiency and that a centralized AI-driven model could lead to better insights and predictive capabilities.

For example, in the healthcare sector, Ellison envisions a national database that could track patient histories, streamline medical research, and improve emergency response.

“If we unify all the national data and feed it to AI, we can make
faster and more accurate decisions,” he reportedly said during a
conference."

Can you believe THAT SHIT?!?!?!

Who created AI?

Humans did.

Who constantly makes poor decisions?

Humans do.

Yet somehow AI modeled from our famously self-serving tendency to
enrich ourselves personally and fuck others is going to do what, correct
for our collective toxic narcicism?

It is programmed to weep tears of arrogance and hypocrisy too one must
presume.

Think Jimmy Swaggart with a microprocessor kernel panic.

FUCKING A!
v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
2025-02-15 21:20:52 UTC
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Alva Myrdal invented Social Security as a form of population control on
grounds folks had kids to provide for old age. SO now we need to import kids
to pay elder pesions. Bear STearns went broke when the first boomer retired.
Greece, GM & A&P went bankrupt because of pensions (abortion).
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mxplztylc
2025-02-15 23:20:56 UTC
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Alva Myrdal invented Social Security as a form of population control
on grounds folks had kids to provide for old age. SO now we need to
import kids to pay elder pesions. Bear STearns went broke when the
first boomer retired. Greece, GM & A&P went bankrupt because of
pensions (abortion).
Yes the world and nation and society all morphed into some things
entirely different, as did our economy from agrarian and light
industrial into the consumer free for all it is now.

But in any service-heavy economy there is a need for paying for said
services.

Go on then - solve for income, maybe even use sin taxes to pay for all
retirement health care?

Astound me - propose something more than gripes.
v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
2025-02-17 07:29:41 UTC
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Retirement age should be ninety five minus five years for every natural
born child. THose who have fewer than three kids have no right to complain
about immigration.
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mxplztylc
2025-02-17 15:06:24 UTC
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Retirement age should be ninety
Yeah fugoff and eat shit troll.

Darth Xmas
2025-02-15 15:53:12 UTC
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(I am in favor of continuing Social Security largely as it currently
exists ((to help those who have fallen into dependence on it))
but with important actuary changes to make it viable
((gradually and slowly increase age of payouts and increase tax rate.))
I maybe for it, but it is not insurance.)
No, we need to end the program and Medicare. Workers will get an instant
7% pay raise. People can use MAID if they don't have a pension to collect.
mxplztylc
2025-02-15 18:25:41 UTC
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(I am in favor of continuing Social Security largely as it currently
exists ((to help those who have fallen into dependence on it))
but with important actuary changes to make it viable
((gradually and slowly increase age of payouts and increase tax
rate.)) I maybe for it, but it is not insurance.)
No, we need to end the program and Medicare. Workers will get an
instant 7% pay raise. People can use MAID if they don't have a
pension to collect.
Idiotic knee jerk troll!

The real rate of inflation far exceeds any alleged "7% pay raise" -
which of course is nothing of the sort.

No one is going to hike wages as a genuflection to SS and medicare
being axed.

But for GODDAMNED SURE a lot of honest, retired recipients of said
services, services they were PROMISED by our ratbag goobermint, will be
monumentally FUCKED on day one.

The real question here is who are you shilling for?

And just how old are you?

What level of education have you completed?

And do you believe in our Creator?

Because the blank verse bullshite you have been fronting for is a
GOPDDAMNED non-starter!

Got it?

Good.

Now fuck off and die.
Baxter
2025-02-16 03:08:40 UTC
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(I am in favor of continuing Social Security largely as it currently
exists ((to help those who have fallen into dependence on it))
but with important actuary changes to make it viable
((gradually and slowly increase age of payouts and increase tax
rate.)) I maybe for it, but it is not insurance.)
No, we need to end the program and Medicare. Workers will get an instant
7% pay raise. People can use MAID if they don't have a pension to collect.
And instant poverty for tens of millions. Why do you think they started SS
in the first place?
Mikey
2025-02-16 15:30:06 UTC
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(I am in favor of continuing Social Security largely as it currently
exists ((to help those who have fallen into dependence on it))
but with important actuary changes to make it viable
((gradually and slowly increase age of payouts and increase tax
rate.)) I maybe for it, but it is not insurance.)
No, we need to end the program and Medicare. Workers will get an instant
7% pay raise. People can use MAID if they don't have a pension to collect.
And instant poverty for tens of millions. Why do you think they started SS
in the first place?
Dead people need no income.
Baxter
2025-02-16 17:41:30 UTC
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(I am in favor of continuing Social Security largely as it currently
exists ((to help those who have fallen into dependence on it))
but with important actuary changes to make it viable
((gradually and slowly increase age of payouts and increase tax
rate.)) I maybe for it, but it is not insurance.)
No, we need to end the program and Medicare. Workers will get an instant
7% pay raise. People can use MAID if they don't have a pension to collect.
And instant poverty for tens of millions. Why do you think they
started SS in the first place?
Dead people need no income.
But their dependants do.
mxplztylc
2025-02-16 18:09:16 UTC
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Post by Mikey
Dead people need no income.
But their dependants do.
It's called having an estate plan, nutless.
Baxter
2025-02-16 20:54:32 UTC
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Post by Mikey
Dead people need no income.
But their dependants do.
It's called having an estate plan, nutless.
How much of an Estate Plan when you were 24? I'd say when you had your
first kid, but you're still living in your mom's basement hoping she'll
croak and you'll inherit the house. That didn't work out for the neighbor
dickwad.
mxplztylc
2025-02-16 21:12:16 UTC
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Post by Mikey
Dead people need no income.
But their dependants do.
It's called having an estate plan, nutless.
How much of an Estate Plan when you were 24?
why is the age of 24 on your mind?

Why not 22?

Or 29?

Sensible young people get a life insurance plan when they marry and
have kids.
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I'd say when you had
your first kid, but you're still living in your mom's basement hoping
she'll croak and you'll inherit the house. That didn't work out for
the neighbor dickwad.
You're making even less sense than usual, nutless.
Darth Xmas
2025-02-16 21:18:17 UTC
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How much of an Estate Plan when you were 24? I'd say when you had your
first kid, but you're still living in your mom's basement hoping she'll
croak and you'll inherit the house. That didn't work out for the neighbor
dickwad.
A person needs 10 years of FICA payments, so that their children could
qualify.
Darth Xmas
2025-02-16 21:16:42 UTC
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Dead people need no income.
But their dependants do.
The dependants are not eligible for SSA. Children under 18 can get
surivors benefits, but other dependants don't. I doubt if many 65+ year
olds have dependants under 18.
mxplztylc
2025-02-16 21:34:54 UTC
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Post by Baxter
Post by Mikey
Dead people need no income.
But their dependants do.
The dependants are not eligible for SSA. Children under 18 can get
surivors benefits, but other dependants don't. I doubt if many 65+
year olds have dependants under 18.
Stick to Canucklehead muses, moron.

https://www.ssa.gov/survivor

Who can get Survivor benefits
You may qualify if you’re the spouse, divorced spouse, child, or
dependent parent of someone who worked and paid Social Security taxes
before they died.

https://www.ssa.gov/survivor/eligibility

Spouses and ex-spouses
You may be eligible if you:

Are age 60 or older, or age 50–59 if you have a disability, and
Were married for at least 9 months before your spouse's death, and
Didn’t remarry before age 60 (age 50 if you have a disability).

Ex-spouses who were married for at least 10 years, as well as some valid non-marital legal relationships, may be eligible.



You might be eligible regardless of age and how long you were married. One common example is if you’re caring for a child of the person who died.

Children
Children of someone who died may be eligible if they're unmarried and are:

Age 17 and younger, or
Ages 18–19 and in school (K–12) full time, or
Any age if they developed a disability at age 21 or younger.
Under certain circumstances, we can also pay benefits to married children, stepchildren, adopted children, grandchildren, and stepgrandchildren.

Adult children with a disability
Adult children who have a disability that started before their 22nd birthday may be eligible if their parent has died.

Dependent parents
You might be eligible if you’re age 62 or older and were financially
supported by your child who died.
mxplztylc
2025-02-14 16:58:12 UTC
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Economic Growth Won’t Save Social Security: New Paper Release
By Romina Boccia and Dominik Lett
Social Security is a Ponzi scheme.
And the IRS and the Fed too, right?
Medicare and SS should be canceled.
Nope.

Phased out so the present retirees are not cored out.
Workers will get an instant 7% pay raise and businesses
will have an immediate increase in income.
What's the real rate of inflation that has to compete with, 8-12% or
above?

As it stands on 2024 data Ponzi trumps free market.
If a person has no retirement savings and/or pension they can use
MAID to reduce their suffering.
How about their non-medical expenses, like property taxes, mortgage,
rent, food, transportation, etc?

You need to simmer the fuck down and start coming up with phased
solutions and realize that until we eliminate the IRS and traditional
idexed taxation by income bracket we will never have the
Constitutional Republic that was DESTROYED by Woodrow Wilson and the
monsters of Jekyll Island.

Hint - read moar.
Darth Xmas
2025-02-15 15:55:38 UTC
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Nope.
Phased out so the present retirees are not cored out.
No, If a person doesn't have a pension they can use MAID.
mxplztylc
2025-02-15 18:49:22 UTC
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Post by mxplztylc
Nope.
Phased out so the present retirees are not cored out.
No, If a person doesn't have a pension they can use MAID.
Stop clipping my reply context, asshat!

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Post by Darth Xmas
Medicare and SS should be canceled.
Nope.

Phased out so the present retirees are not cored out.

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1.) Social Insecurity MUST be paid out for those who literally rely on
it for their retirement income - period/non-negotiable!

2.) The same holds for Medicare which will require a complete overhaul
of health care pricing, availability, and regulation to insure
non-predatory pricing and equal access.

Here, fucking LEARN something:

https://www.cato.org/social-security

Social Security is not sustainable without reform. Simply put, it cannot pay promised future benefits with current levels of taxation. Yet raising taxes or cutting benefits will only make a bad deal worse. However, allowing younger workers to privately invest their Social Security taxes through individual accounts will improve Social Security’s rate of return; provide better retirement benefits; treat women, minorities, and low-income workers more fairly; and give workers real ownership and control of their retirement funds.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/social-security-reform-defusing-ticking-bomb

Cut Benefits?

Cutting Social Security benefits, however, would have a positive impact on both the system's finances and the government's general balance sheet. Of course, there are many different ways to reduce future Social Security payments with very different impacts on recipients. The bipartisan Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, for instance, has recommended a broad array of benefit changes, including raising the retirement age to 69 by 2075, with the early retirement age rising to 64 over the same period, reforming the formula for annual cost of living adjustments (COLA's), and trimming benefits for high-income recipients.

A better approach would be to change the formula used to calculate the accrual of benefits so that they are indexed to price inflation rather than national wage growth. Since wages tend to grow at a rate roughly one-percentage point faster than prices, such a change would hold future Social Security benefits constant in real terms, but eliminate the benefit escalation that is built into the current formula. Estimates suggest that making this change alone would result in a 35 percent reduction in Social Security's currently scheduled level of benefits, bringing the system into balance by 2050. Variations on this approach would apply the formula change only to higher income seniors, preserving the current wage-indexed formula for low-income seniors.

Other benefit reductions that have been discussed at one time or another include: increasing the number of years included in income averaging as part of the benefit formula from 35 to 38 years, restructuring spousal benefits, and various means/asset-testing schemes. But, Social Security taxes are already so high, relative to benefits, that Social Security has quite simply become a bad deal for younger workers, providing a low, below-market rate-of-return.

Save and Invest

It makes sense, therefore, to combine any reduction in government-provided benefits with an option for younger workers to save and invest a portion of their Social Security taxes through individual accounts. A proposal by scholars from the Cato Institute that combines the wage-price indexing proposal described above with personal accounts equal to 6.2 percent of wages, was scored by actuaries with the Social Security Administration in 2005 as reducing Social Security's unfunded liabilities by $6.3 trillion, roughly half the system's predicted shortfall at that time. If the Cato plan had been adopted in 2005, the system would have begun running surpluses by 2046. Indeed, by the end of the 75-year actuarial window, the system would have been running surpluses in excess of $1.8 trillion. At the same time, SSA actuaries concluded that average-wage workers who were age 45 or younger could expect higher benefits under the Cato proposal than Social Security would otherwise be able to pay. While there is no more current scoring available, there is no reason to presume that savings or benefits would be substantially different today.

Personal accounts would also solve some of the other problems with the current Social Security system. Under the current system, workers have no ownership of their benefits; they are left totally dependent on the good will of 535 politicians to determine what they will receive in retirement. Moreover, benefits are not inheritable, and the program is a barrier to wealth accumulation. Finally, the current program unfairly penalizes African Americans, working women, and others. In short, it is a program crying out for reform. By giving workers ownership and control over a portion of their retirement funds, personal accounts are the only reform measure that deals with those issues.

Of course opponents of personal accounts have pointed to the recent
struggles of the stock market to suggest that they are too risky to be
relied on for retirement. The reality, however, is that despite recent
volatility in the market, long-term investment represents a remarkably
safe retirement strategy.

Social Security is not sustainable without reform. Simply put, it
cannot pay promised future benefits with current levels of taxation.
Yet, raising taxes or cutting benefits will only make a bad deal worse.
At the same time, workers have no ownership of their benefits, and
Social Security benefits are not inheritable.


As for Medicare...what are you a fucking Obama-bot shill?

https://www.cato.org/blog/obama-proposes-eliminating-medicare-advantage-ousting-9-million-seniors-their-health-plans

On This Week with George Stephanopolous, president-elect Barack Obama proposed eliminating the ENTIRE Medicare Advantage program:

We’ve got to eliminate programs that don’t work, and I’ll give you an example in the health care area. We are spending a lot of money subsidizing the insurance companies around something called Medicare Advantage, a program that gives them subsidies to accept Medicare recipients but doesn’t necessarily make people on Medicare healthier.


And if we eliminate that and other programs, we can potentially save $200 billion out of the health care system that we’re currently spending, and take that money and use it in ways that are actually going to make people healthier and improve quality. So what our challenge is going to be is identifying what works and putting more money into that, eliminating things that don’t work, and making things that we have more efficient.

Medicare Advantage allows seniors to choose a private health plan rather than get their health coverage from the traditional Medicare program. The Left has complained Medicare Advantage costs taxpayers more than if those seniors remained in the traditional Medicare program. (I agree, though the reason is not because government is more efficient than private insurance.) The Left has long dreamt of eliminating Medicare Advantage, in part because it poses a threat to their plans for a completely government-run, single-payer health care system. Yet the Left has had to settle for attacking and attempting to eliminate the “overpayments” that Medicare Advantage plans receive. Of course, one can eliminate Medicare Advantage stealthily by reducing payments to private plans until none will participate.


For Obama to suggest eliminating Medicare Advantage outright, however, is extraordinary. First, Obama made a campaign promise that he will let Americans keep their current health insurance. Eliminating Medicare Advantage would force 9 million seniors out of their current health plans and back into traditional Medicare. Second, a man who wants to reform America’s health care sector ought not begin the effort by proposing to take something away from seniors, America’s largest and most politically active voting block. Maybe the Obama folks haven’t learned the lessons of the Clinton health care battle.


Eliminating Medicare Advantage would be bad for non-seniors, too,
because it would block innovations that make medicine better, cheaper,
and safer. The main reason that the U.S. health care sector fails to
coordinate care, fails to provide patients with electronic medical
records, and fails to prevent medical errors is that whenever providers
try to do those things, the traditional Medicare program’s
change-resistant payment system punishes them for doing so. (Universal
coverage kills.) Medicare Advantage plans use different financial
incentives that actually encourage coordination, EMRs, and error
reduction. What a novel thought…
Darth Xmas
2025-02-15 21:03:08 UTC
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1.) Social Insecurity MUST be paid out for those who literally rely on
it for their retirement income - period/non-negotiable!
No, MAID is the answer for those that can't afford to live. Everybody has
got to die sometime.
mxplztylc
2025-02-15 21:11:48 UTC
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Post by mxplztylc
1.) Social Insecurity MUST be paid out for those who literally rely
on it for their retirement income - period/non-negotiable!
No, MAID is the answer for those that can't afford to live.
That's fatalistically nonsensical garbage talk.

https://www.islandhealth.ca/learn-about-health/medical-assistance-dying/medical-assistance-dying

You a canucklehead?
Post by Darth Xmas
Everybody has got to die sometime.
In Canaduh they get rid of the mentally ill and homeless first.
Darth Xmas
2025-02-15 22:26:25 UTC
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Everybody has got to die sometime.
In Canaduh they get rid of the mentally ill and homeless first.
Yeah, this help keeps they budget deficit down.
mxplztylc
2025-02-15 23:33:38 UTC
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Post by Darth Xmas
Everybody has got to die sometime.
In Canaduh they get rid of the mentally ill and homeless first.
Yeah, this help keeps they budget deficit down.
No, really it does not:

https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/canada/national-government-debt

Canada National Government Debt reached 1,519.8 USD bn in Mar 2024,
compared with 1,423.3 USD bn in the previous year.

In the latest reports, Canada Consolidated Fiscal Balance recorded a deficit equal to 1.8 % of its Nominal GDP in Sep 2024.
The country's Government debt accounted for 69.4 % of its Nominal GDP in Mar 2024.
Canada Nominal GDP reached 520.3 USD bn in Mar 2023.

Suffice to say the impact is barely negligible:

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/publications/health-system-services/annual-report-medical-assistance-dying-2022.html


In 2022, there were 13,241 MAID provisions reported in Canada, accounting for 4.1% of all deaths in Canada.
The number of cases of MAID in 2022 represents a growth rate of 31.2% over 2021. All provinces except Manitoba and the Yukon continue to experience a steady year-over-year growth in 2022.

When all data sources are considered, the total number of medically
assisted deaths reported in Canada since the introduction of federal
MAID legislation in 2016 is 44,958.

The average age of individuals at the time MAID was provided in 2022
was 77.0 years. This average age is slightly higher than the averages
of 2019 (75.2), 2020 (75.3) and 2021 (76.3). The average age of females
during 2022 was 77.9, compared to males at 76.1.

The majority of MAID recipients received palliative care and disability support services

In 2022, MAID practitioners reported that the majority of MAID
recipients (77.6%) had received palliative care, a level similar to the
three previous years. Of those who received palliative care, 49.9%
received it for a month or more, similar to the level reported in 2021.
Of the MAID recipients who did not receive palliative care (19.6%),
87.5% had access to these services.

https://www.cpp.ca/blog/what-is-the-life-expectancy-in-canada/

The latest report from Statistics Canada released in 2020, found that
the average life expectancy in Canada is 79.49 years for men and 83.9
years for women.

So what you have is:

@ roughly 2 years shaved off a female lifespan

@roughly 5 years shaved off a male lifespan

@continued palliative care spending regardless

Which means that you've fronted for broad scale enable euthanasia with
no apparent significant cost savings at all.

This is a witless rehash of where the world was circa early 1900s when
the eugenicists decided we could save some money by getting rid of the
disabled and mentally ill.

You're a demented piece of Canuck shit for shilling this out and as a
result YOU must demonstrate YOUR loyalty to "MAID" by KILLING YOURSELF
NOW~!
Darth Xmas
2025-02-16 00:00:54 UTC
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https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/canada/national-government-debt
Canada National Government Debt reached 1,519.8 USD bn in Mar 2024,
compared with 1,423.3 USD bn in the previous year.
Just think how much higher it would be if these people received free
housing and medical care.

MAID works well.
mxplztylc
2025-02-16 00:03:38 UTC
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Post by mxplztylc
https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/canada/national-government-debt
Canada National Government Debt reached 1,519.8 USD bn in Mar 2024,
compared with 1,423.3 USD bn in the previous year.
Just think how much higher it would be if these people received free
housing and medical care.
MAID works well.
You deleted the contextual numbers, provided no verifiable citations
of cost savings, and remain squawking like a self-important little
grackle.


In short - sod off swampy.
Darth Xmas
2025-02-16 21:20:23 UTC
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MAID works well.
You deleted the contextual numbers, provided no verifiable citations
of cost savings, and remain squawking like a self-important little
grackle.
In short - sod off swampy.
If you don't pay millions of people money from the treasury then that is
a tax savings for the tax paying worker, Sheesh, you sure are thick
headed.
mxplztylc
2025-02-16 21:36:56 UTC
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Post by Darth Xmas
MAID works well.
You deleted the contextual numbers, provided no verifiable citations
of cost savings, and remain squawking like a self-important little
grackle.
In short - sod off swampy.
If you don't pay millions of people money from the treasury then
2-5 years of their lives at the end, those are the ONLY significant
demographics, as proved, and as you snipped:

https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/canada/national-government-debt

Canada National Government Debt reached 1,519.8 USD bn in Mar 2024,
compared with 1,423.3 USD bn in the previous year.

In the latest reports, Canada Consolidated Fiscal Balance recorded a deficit equal to 1.8 % of its Nominal GDP in Sep 2024.
The country's Government debt accounted for 69.4 % of its Nominal GDP in Mar 2024.
Canada Nominal GDP reached 520.3 USD bn in Mar 2023.

Suffice to say the impact is barely negligible:

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/publications/health-system-services/annual-report-medical-assistance-dying-2022.html


In 2022, there were 13,241 MAID provisions reported in Canada, accounting for 4.1% of all deaths in Canada.
The number of cases of MAID in 2022 represents a growth rate of 31.2% over 2021. All provinces except Manitoba and the Yukon continue to experience a steady year-over-year growth in 2022.

When all data sources are considered, the total number of medically
assisted deaths reported in Canada since the introduction of federal
MAID legislation in 2016 is 44,958.

The average age of individuals at the time MAID was provided in 2022
was 77.0 years. This average age is slightly higher than the averages
of 2019 (75.2), 2020 (75.3) and 2021 (76.3). The average age of females
during 2022 was 77.9, compared to males at 76.1.

The majority of MAID recipients received palliative care and disability support services

In 2022, MAID practitioners reported that the majority of MAID
recipients (77.6%) had received palliative care, a level similar to the
three previous years. Of those who received palliative care, 49.9%
received it for a month or more, similar to the level reported in 2021.
Of the MAID recipients who did not receive palliative care (19.6%),
87.5% had access to these services.

https://www.cpp.ca/blog/what-is-the-life-expectancy-in-canada/

The latest report from Statistics Canada released in 2020, found that
the average life expectancy in Canada is 79.49 years for men and 83.9
years for women.

So what you have is:

@ roughly 2 years shaved off a female lifespan

@roughly 5 years shaved off a male lifespan

@continued palliative care spending regardless

Which means that you've fronted for broad scale enable euthanasia with
no apparent significant cost savings at all.

This is a witless rehash of where the world was circa early 1900s when
the eugenicists decided we could save some money by getting rid of the
disabled and mentally ill.

You're a demented piece of Canuck shit for shilling this out and as a
result YOU must demonstrate YOUR loyalty to "MAID" by KILLING YOURSELF
NOW~!
Baxter
2025-02-16 03:29:12 UTC
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https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/canada/national-government-debt
Canada National Government Debt reached 1,519.8 USD bn in Mar 2024,
compared with 1,423.3 USD bn in the previous year.
Just think how much higher it would be if these people received free
housing and medical care.
MAID works well.
Don't need MAID - they're shutting down all Health and pandemic science.
YOU will die of some comunicable disease.
mxplztylc
2025-02-16 06:12:59 UTC
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they're shutting down all Health
Provably a lie.
Post by Baxter
and pandemic science.
You misspelled "directed genocide science."

They would fly you in a heartbeat.
Baxter
2025-02-16 17:38:20 UTC
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they're shutting down all Health
Provably a lie.
Then prove it. You won't, because YOU are the liar
mxplztylc
2025-02-16 18:08:06 UTC
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Post by Baxter
they're shutting down all Health
Provably a lie.
Then prove it. You won't, because YOU are the liar
No one is ever required to _prove a negative__ nutless.

Now fuck off and dig deeper in the Daily Kos for your unoriginal TDS
nuggets.
Baxter
2025-02-16 20:52:15 UTC
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Post by Baxter
they're shutting down all Health
Provably a lie.
Then prove it. You won't, because YOU are the liar
No one is ever required to _prove a negative__ nutless.
You said it was provable - so prove it.
mxplztylc
2025-02-16 21:10:25 UTC
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Post by Baxter
they're shutting down all Health
Provably a lie.
Then prove it. You won't, because YOU are the liar
No one is ever required to _prove a negative__ nutless.
You said it was provable - so prove it.
The proof it is a lie rests on your utter inability to present even one
credible citation for your claim.

See how that works?

Let's try again - list the specific hard assets of "all Health" that are
"shutting down".

Take all the screens you need:________________________________________
Baxter
2025-02-17 05:36:30 UTC
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Post by mxplztylc
On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 03:29:12 -0000 (UTC)
Post by Baxter
they're shutting down all Health
Provably a lie.
Then prove it. You won't, because YOU are the liar
No one is ever required to _prove a negative__ nutless.
You said it was provable - so prove it.
The proof it is a lie rests on your utter inability to present even one
credible citation for your claim.
See how that works?
Let's try again - list the specific hard assets of "all Health" that are
"shutting down".
Take all the screens you need:________________________________________
YOU said YOU could prove it, you lied. You never prove anything you
post.
mxplztylc
2025-02-17 15:03:08 UTC
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On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 20:52:15 -0000 (UTC)
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On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 17:38:20 -0000 (UTC)
Post by Baxter
Post by mxplztylc
On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 03:29:12 -0000 (UTC)
Post by Baxter
they're shutting down all Health
Provably a lie.
Then prove it. You won't, because YOU are the liar
No one is ever required to _prove a negative__ nutless.
You said it was provable - so prove it.
The proof it is a lie rests on your utter inability to present even
one credible citation for your claim.
See how that works?
Let's try again - list the specific hard assets of "all Health"
that
are
Post by mxplztylc
"shutting down".
Take all the screens you
need:________________________________________
YOU said YOU could prove it, you lied. You never prove anything you
post.
Your inability to cite and enumerate your claims in a coherent
evidentiary manner IS my "proof".

You senile old ponytailed anntifa shill.

Let's try again - list the specific hard assets of "all Health"
that are "shutting down".

Take all the screens you need:________________________________________
Baxter
2025-02-16 03:14:38 UTC
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Post by mxplztylc
1.) Social Insecurity MUST be paid out for those who literally rely on
it for their retirement income - period/non-negotiable!
No, MAID is the answer for those that can't afford to live. Everybody has
got to die sometime.
You first.
mxplztylc
2025-02-16 06:07:42 UTC
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Post by mxplztylc
1.) Social Insecurity MUST be paid out for those who literally rely
on it for their retirement income - period/non-negotiable!
No, MAID is the answer for those that can't afford to live.
Everybody has
got to die sometime.
You first.
agreed.
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