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Debunking President Trump On Climate Change...
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Walt In Seattlle
2018-11-22 20:18:15 UTC
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In response to President Trump's tweet on Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1065400254151954432 asking what has happened to "global warming", please read or view content at https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/donald-trump-climate-change-tweet_us_5bf6019ae4b0eb6d930b6d25 then https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/11/21/climate-change-report-released-friday-after-thanksgiving/2080298002/ as well as https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2016/10/31/polar-vortex-shifting-due-to-climate-change-extending-winter-study-finds/?utm_term=.447b086cc182 plus https://phys.org/news/2017-09-winter-cold-extremes-linked-high-altitude.html along with
but not frgetting
.... Altogether, this information illustrates President Trump knows not that on which he tweets or is, as seems typical for President Trump, spreading MORE BS about climate.
Walt In Seattlle
2018-11-23 20:18:11 UTC
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Information Donald Trump wants you NOT to know or wants you to ignore....

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/11/23/health/climate-change-report-bn/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2F

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-usa/u-s-report-says-climate-change-will-batter-economy-in-clash-with-trump-idUSKCN1NS19D
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In response to President Trump's tweet on Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1065400254151954432 asking what has happened to "global warming", please read or view content at https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/donald-trump-climate-change-tweet_us_5bf6019ae4b0eb6d930b6d25 then https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/11/21/climate-change-report-released-friday-after-thanksgiving/2080298002/ as well as https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2016/10/31/polar-vortex-shifting-due-to-climate-change-extending-winter-study-finds/?utm_term=.447b086cc182 plus https://phys.org/news/2017-09-winter-cold-extremes-linked-high-altitude.html along with http://youtu.be/5t7Nv-X9he4 but not frgetting http://youtu.be/B2DtGAlzPYw .... Altogether, this information illustrates President Trump knows not that on which he tweets or is, as seems typical for President Trump, spreading MORE BS about climate.
Walt In Seattlle
2018-11-24 05:24:42 UTC
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https://www.businessinsider.com/climate-report-scary-conclusions-and-reason-for-hope-2018-11
Walt In Seattlle
2018-11-24 20:50:04 UTC
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In response to the assertion the National Climate Assessment focuses only on the worst case scenario....

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/nov/24/climate-change-report-trump-administration-democrats-reaction
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[..] "I wrote the climate scenarios chapter myself so I can confirm it considers ALL scenarios."
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Walt In Seattlle
2018-11-28 06:05:08 UTC
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https://www.businessinsider.com/climate-report-scary-conclusions-and-reason-for-hope-2018-11
On Climate, President Trump attempts to BS his way through an interview with the Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-on-climate-change-people-like-myself-we-have-very-high-levels-of-intelligence-but-were-not-necessarily-such-believers/2018/11/27/722f0184-f27e-11e8-aeea-b85fd44449f5_story.html
Walt In Seattlle
2018-12-01 09:29:25 UTC
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https://www.businessinsider.com/climate-report-scary-conclusions-and-reason-for-hope-2018-11
On Climate, President Trump attempts to BS his way through an interview with the Washington Post.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-on-climate-change-people-like-myself-we-have-very-high-levels-of-intelligence-but-were-not-necessarily-such-believers/2018/11/27/722f0184-f27e-11e8-aeea-b85fd44449f5_story.html
Katherine Hayhoe takes on President Trump, Rick Santorum, Mitch Mcconnell, James Inhofe and others who would put forward climate myths...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-climate-change/2018/11/30/9fba233a-f428-11e8-bc79-68604ed88993_story.html
Walt In Seattlle
2018-12-01 22:17:23 UTC
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https://www.businessinsider.com/climate-report-scary-conclusions-and-reason-for-hope-2018-11
On Climate, President Trump attempts to BS his way through an interview with the Washington Post.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-on-climate-change-people-like-myself-we-have-very-high-levels-of-intelligence-but-were-not-necessarily-such-believers/2018/11/27/722f0184-f27e-11e8-aeea-b85fd44449f5_story.html
Katherine Hayhoe takes on President Trump, Rick Santorum, Mitch Mcconnell, James Inhofe and others who would put forward climate myths...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-climate-change/2018/11/30/9fba233a-f428-11e8-bc79-68604ed88993_story.html
Apologies to Kath[a]rine Hayhoe for misspelling her name above....
Walt In Seattlle
2018-12-05 10:25:13 UTC
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The tweets cited, combined and and quoted below are blatant propaganda. As such, they illustrate that telling the truth is not of much importance to Donald Trump.

COP21 -- the Paris climate accord of 2015 -- accomplished NOTING MORE than to obtain nonbinding commitments from a large number of nations to reduce carbon emissions to certain levels. Each nation arbitrarily chose the levels to which they'd commit. The means for reducing emissions and any restrictions or taxes used to reach emission reduction goals were to be addressed in future yearss. France and French President Macron acted *INDEPENDENTLY*, that's to say WITHOUT a (non-existent) mandate from COP21, to implement fuel taxes from which France would create the means to reduce its carbon emissions. Any mistakes made in estimating whether the French economy, or segments of the French populatin, could tolerate Macron's tax plan or that of French government officials is HIS and/or that of France and HIS and/or that of Framce alone. Only now, at COP24, are nations deciding, or attempting to decide, HOW they will meet the goals to which they committed at COP21. ***See: https://psmag.com/environment/cop24-a-guide-to-this-years-global-climate-summit

President Trump, who says climate may be changing but will change back, claims to have made great strides in improving America's environment. This, of course, is not true. Thus, he provides no evidence to back his assertion. He also does not mention the cozy relationship Scott Pruitt and his successor, Andrew Wheeler at EPA, have had with major corporate polluters and neither does he address in tweets the specific regulations he has rolled back since he took office which were designed to protect air and water. For example,it's now much easier for operators of coal mines to decapitate mountains in order to access seams of coal while the debris from removing mountain tops chokes or destroys wetlands, streams, lakes or perhaps even rivers below. President Trump refers to coal as "clean coal", implying it can be burned cleanly in a commercially viable coal-fired power plant. That's ridiculous, as was proven by the Kemper Project a few years ago. The Trump Administration is halting CAFE standards updates that would make gas-powered vehicles more fuel-efficient and less polluting. President Trump's administration additionally will end subsidies for electic vehicles and renewable energy in the next few years. None of this qualifies as making great strides in improving America's environment!


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1070089365995642881 and https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1070089367224549377
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[President Donald J. Trump on 12-4-2018 at 2:56 PM PST] I am glad that my friend @EmmanuelMacron and the protestors in Paris have agreed with the conclusion I reached two years ago. The Paris Agreement is fatally flawed because it raises the price of energy for responsible countries while whitewashing some of the worst polluters in the world. I want clean air and clean water and have been making great strides in improving America's environment. But American taxpayers - and American workers - shouldn't pay to clean up others countries' pollution.
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Walt In Seattlle
2018-12-09 13:25:18 UTC
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The tweets cited, combined and and quoted below are blatant propaganda. As such, they illustrate that telling the truth is not of much importance to Donald Trump.
COP21 -- the Paris climate accord of 2015 -- accomplished NOTING MORE than to obtain nonbinding commitments from a large number of nations to reduce carbon emissions to certain levels. Each nation arbitrarily chose the levels to which they'd commit. The means for reducing emissions and any restrictions or taxes used to reach emission reduction goals were to be addressed in future yearss. France and French President Macron acted *INDEPENDENTLY*, that's to say WITHOUT a (non-existent) mandate from COP21, to implement fuel taxes from which France would create the means to reduce its carbon emissions. Any mistakes made in estimating whether the French economy, or segments of the French populatin, could tolerate Macron's tax plan or that of French government officials is HIS and/or that of France and HIS and/or that of Framce alone. Only now, at COP24, are nations deciding, or attempting to decide, HOW they will meet the goals to which they committed at COP21. ***See: https://psmag.com/environment/cop24-a-guide-to-this-years-global-climate-summit
President Trump, who says climate may be changing but will change back, claims to have made great strides in improving America's environment. This, of course, is not true. Thus, he provides no evidence to back his assertion. He also does not mention the cozy relationship Scott Pruitt and his successor, Andrew Wheeler at EPA, have had with major corporate polluters and neither does he address in tweets the specific regulations he has rolled back since he took office which were designed to protect air and water. For example,it's now much easier for operators of coal mines to decapitate mountains in order to access seams of coal while the debris from removing mountain tops chokes or destroys wetlands, streams, lakes or perhaps even rivers below. President Trump refers to coal as "clean coal", implying it can be burned cleanly in a commercially viable coal-fired power plant. That's ridiculous, as was proven by the Kemper Project a few years ago. The Trump Administration is halting CAFE standards updates that would make gas-powered vehicles more fuel-efficient and less polluting. President Trump's administration additionally will end subsidies for electic vehicles and renewable energy in the next few years. None of this qualifies as making great strides in improving America's environment!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1070089365995642881 and https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1070089367224549377
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On the notion of decreasing GHG (greenhouse gas) emissions, this EPA press release, along with President Trump's tweet below, is propaganda!

https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/data-shows-decrease-us-greenhouse-gas-emissions-during-trumps-first-year-office

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1071454998414921728
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[President Donald J. Trump on 12-8-2018 at 9:22 AM PST] Very sad day & night in Paris. Maybe it’s time to end the ridiculous and extremely expensive Paris Agreement and return money back to the people in the form of lower taxes? The U.S. was way ahead of the curve on that and the only major country where emissions went down last year!
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Here is the TRUTH!

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jun/18/environmental-protection-agency/are-greenhouse-emissions-down-under-donald-trump-e/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/co2-emissions-reached-an-all-time-high-in-2018/

Since the Obama Administration tightened emission standards on the burning of coal -- coal being the worst of all fossil fuels for pollution and carbon emissions when burned -- and electricity generation has been transitioning principally to cheaper as well as cleaner-burning natural gas while there has been a steady increase in use of renewable energy sources, carbon emissions have decreased. The rate of decrease has been dramatic until after President Trump took office, as data indicates. That there was any decrease at all in 2017 is a residual dividend from Obama Administration policies which President Trump could not end or reverse all at once or right away. The reate of decrease is slowing, however, because of President Trump's new energy and emission polcies that President Trump and his EPA have been rolling out where and when they can. A return to burning coal for generation of electricity, at a scale typical 10 or 15 years ago, would convert the decrease of carbon emissions alone to an INCREASE! But President Trump will try to do far more than revive coal to its former glory in generation of electricity.

How we move away from burning fossil fuels and reverse current levels of atmospheric CO2 is worth debating. It may be fair to say that French President Macron has not acted appropriately to reach a climate change mitigation goal. But, frankly, some hard choices are ahead and, if we human beings wish to survive while there is a chance we can substantially slow down the pace of climate change in regard to warming of Earth on the whole, we'll have to pay a price for that outcome.

It may already be too late to try and save ourselves; I certainly believe it probably is in context to the next 200 or 300 years. But maybe I'm too pessimistic. We won't know if we can or can't save ourselves unless we try. Trump and his ilk, who might follow him in succession, could otherwise lead us to our demise!
Walt In Seattlle
2018-12-10 05:45:04 UTC
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Please note that, at COP24 in Poland, the U.S. takes "note" of a key scientific report but does not "welcome" it. In the parlance of COP24 negotiations, this means the U.S. delegation from the Trump Administration acknowledges the existence of the report but does not endorse it. Thus, by clear implication, it rejects the findings of the report, just as President Trump has done with the findings of the National Climate Assessment which indicates we can expect a greater level of extreme consequences from not acting quickly to mitigate climate change than if we act substantially and without delay.

In essence and in both instances, the Trump Administration either )1) does not believe what these scientists have found or (2) doesn't care or care less about these findings than the Trump Adminstration's shorter term agenda to goose the American economy by, among other actions, making it much easier for those who produce or use fossil fuels to emit more carbon into the environment so they can make more money while spending less to prevent emissions that will hasten the pace of warming on a global scale.

It seems to mean too little or not at all to President Trump that we'll have more as well as worse hurricane seasons than 2017 and more strikes on heavily populated areas by storms of unprecedented strength later in a hurricane season such as Hurricane Michael. It also does not seem to matter or President Trump does not believe the warming of climate will bring to places like California far more devastating and more frequent wildfires followed by more & more damaging mudslides when torrential rain falls on the same land earlier ravaged by fire. Trump apparently also believes there will not be devastating heatwaves which last longer over time while running hotter plus occurring in concert with dextended drought that destroys crops and the livelihood of the farmers President Trump claims to love. President Trump either does not believe or doesn't care that we'll see more catastrophic flooding, impacting President Trump's beloved farmers as well, from which many, many billions of dollars shall have to be spent in futile efforts to recover before the NEXT devastating event occurs.

Maybe President Trump's legacy among others will be that he just couldn't entertain the truth because it interfered with his political agenda. Or maybe it will be that he just plain-old didn't give a DAMN! We'll eventually see which applies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-administration-resists-global-climate-efforts-at-home-overseas/2018/12/09/b94a9ef0-fa41-11e8-863c-9e2f864d47e7_story.html
Walt In Seattlle
2018-12-11 05:04:00 UTC
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Theoretically, it's possible to capture then store carbon derived from burning coal. But there is quite a diference between theory and practice.It is indeed ludicrous to assert or imply there is anything such as the burning of "clean coal" unless you can efficiently, safely and economically capture all emissions from burning coal as well as sequester or store them. Kemper couldn't make it work in day-to-day practice. For Trump Administration delegates at COP24 to talk of this technology as if it's ready for prime time is to distort the truth.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/11/australia-only-nation-to-join-us-at-pro-coal-event-at-cop24-climate-talks

https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/cop24-us-fossil-fuel-event-trump-climate-change-global-warming-coal-poland-katowice-a8676126.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemper_Project
Al Czervik
2018-12-11 14:12:52 UTC
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But there is quite a diference between theory and practice.
A lesson socialists refuse to learn.



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