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a425couple
2018-11-21 00:47:48 UTC
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If Capitalism is evil and Socialism is the answer,
Why is the caravan not heading to Venezuela?
It's less than half the distance.

Liberals, feel free to answer my question.
r***@gmail.com
2018-11-21 02:11:25 UTC
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If Capitalism is evil and Socialism is the answer,
Why is the caravan not heading to Venezuela?
It's less than half the distance.
Liberals, feel free to answer my question.
Because 'murica has destroyed their economy's and their lives by
engaging in...

Case #95: Reagan's Butcher Carries Out Genocide in Guatemala
THE CRIME: In the early 1980s, following a U.S.-backed coup by General
José Efraín Ríos Montt, the Guatemalan military systematically
destroyed more than 600 indigenous Mayan villages in the highlands of
the country. Seventy-five thousand people, overwhelmingly Mayans, were
slaughtered under Ríos Montt in this small, impoverished country in
Central America. Soldiers ripped the hearts out of children as their
bodies were still warm and piled them on a table for their parents to
see.
https://revcom.us/a/441/american-crime-case-95-reagan-butcher-carries-out-genocide-in-guatemala-en.html
Case #91: School of the Americas-Training Ground for Mass Murderers
and Torturers, 1946-Present
THE CRIME: Since 1946, the U.S. Army's School of the Americas (SOA)
has trained military officers from countries all over Latin America.
The school's curriculum includes sniper training, commando and
psychological warfare, military intelligence, and interrogation
tactics-including the use of torture, rape, disappearances,
assassinations, and mass killings.

CIA and U.S. Army manuals used at the SOA have detailed torture
techniques and advocated extortion, blackmail, and the targeting of
civilian populations. A former political prisoner in Paraguay
described how a section of these manuals gives "interrogators"
instructions on "how to keep electric shock victims alive and
responsive" and "recommends dousing the victims' heads and bodies with
salt water, and includes a sketch showing how this 'treatment' should
be carried out." Hundreds of thousands of people in Latin America have
been tortured, raped, assassinated, "disappeared," massacred, and
forced to flee their homes and become refugees by armies and death
squads led by military officers trained at the SOA.

Case #87: Operation Condor 1968-1980s
U.S.-Directed Campaign of Political Assassination and State Terror in
Latin America
THE CRIME: From the late 1960s well into the 1980s, documents show
that the U.S. secretly organized, financed, and directed a campaign of
political repression, torture, disappearances, and assassinations
code-named Operation Condor.
Starting in 1975, this multinational U.S.-led conspiracy was
implemented by pro-U.S. right-wing military dictatorships in the
Southern Cone of Latin America-Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay,
Bolivia, and Brazil (later joined by Ecuador and Peru). Operation
Condor coordinated the intelligence operations between these
countries; organized cross-border operations to detain and "disappear"
dissidents and political opponents forced into exile; and, in its most
secret "Phase III," provided for the formation of special teams of
assassins from member countries to travel anywhere in the world to
carry out assassinations of "subversive enemies."
https://revcom.us/a/450/american-crime-case-87-operation-condor-en.html
Case #86: 1964 Brazil Coup and Rise of Brutal Military Dictatorship
THE CRIME: In 1964, a section of the Brazilian military carried out a
coup that overthrew Brazilian President João Goulart. The coup gave
rise to two decades of a murderous and brutal military dictatorship
and atrocities that led to the disappearance and death of close to
1,000 political opponents, and the systematic torture of over 30,000
more.
The coup had been anticipated-and worked for-by the U.S. for two years
or more. And the U.S. provided supplies and funding for the coup. Just
before the coup, the U.S. ambassador to Brazil received a secret
telegram from Secretary of State Dean Rusk stating that the
administration had decided to immediately mobilize a naval task force
to take up position off the coast of Brazil including U.S. Navy
tankers, along with an airlift of 110 tons of ammunition and other
equipment including "CS agent"-a special gas used against street
protests. President Lyndon Johnson was briefed on and signed off on
that. Goulart was unable and unwilling to mobilize armed resistance,
and within days of the coup he fled to neighboring Uruguay. The U.S.
immediately recognized the new regime, and declared that the coup by
the "democratic forces" had staved off the hand of international
communism.
https://revcom.us/a/451/american-crime-case-86-1964-brazil-coup-en.html
Case #83: The U.S.-Mexico War of 1846-1848
The Crime: In the spring of 1846, U.S. President James Polk sent
General Zachary Taylor and several thousand U.S. troops into what had
been-before slave-holding settlers from the U.S. declared it an
independent "Republic of Texas" in 1836-Mexican territory between the
Nueces and Rio Grande Rivers, near the Gulf of Mexico, with the goal
of provoking a war. When Taylor's troops arrived at the Mexican town
of Matamoros on the Rio Grande and began menacing maneuvers, they were
attacked by a force of Mexicans, just as Polk and his cabinet believed
they would be. President Polk wasted no time in declaring Mexico
guilty of aggression against the U.S.
https://revcom.us/a/454/american-crime-83-the-US-Mexico-war-of-1846-1848-en.html
Case #80: 1915-1934: The U.S. Invasion, Occupation and Domination of
Haiti
THE CRIME: On July 28, 1915, U.S. President Woodrow Wilson ordered 330
U.S. Marines to invade Haiti's capital city of Port-au-Prince. This
was the beginning of a 19-year U.S. occupation that didn't end until
1934. At the time of the invasion the political situation in Haiti and
the government itself were extremely unstable. U.S. troops landed
after Haitian President Vilbrun Guillaume Sam was killed by people in
the streets. And Sam himself had come to power after leading a revolt
to topple the president a year earlier.
Haiti, a Caribbean country that shares the island of Hispaniola with
the Dominican Republic, had been France's most lucrative colony until
the Haitian people rose up in the largest successful slave rebellion
in history, led by Toussaint L'Ouverture in 1791. At the time of the
U.S. invasion, Haiti was a poor, mainly rural country that different
foreign imperialist powers were trying to dominate
https://revcom.us/a/456/american-crime-80-1915-1934-haiti-en.html

Case #79: Ronald Reagan's Honduras-The Atrocities of "Battalion 316"
THE CRIME: The U.S. military and CIA trained, financed, and covered up
the crimes of "Battalion 316"-a Honduran military death squad which
carried out a campaign of torture, murder, and state-sponsored terror
against the Honduran people during the 1980s. At least 184
Hondurans-including labor leaders, students, religious activists, and
others the Honduran military considered political opponents-were
stalked, kidnapped, brutally tortured, disappeared, and murdered by
Battalion 316. Countless others were captured and tortured before
ultimately being let go.
https://revcom.us/a/457/american-crime-case-79-ronald-reagans-honduras-en.html


Of course we could go on...

redvet
http://www.vvawai.org/
a425couple
2018-11-21 17:58:16 UTC
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 16:47:48 -0800, a425couple
Post by a425couple
If Capitalism is evil and Socialism is the answer,
Why is the caravan not heading to Venezuela?
It's less than half the distance.
Liberals, feel free to answer my question.
Because 'murica has destroyed their economy's and their lives by
engaging in...
Case #95: Reagan's Butcher Carries Out Genocide in Guatemala > THE CRIME: In the early 1980s, following a U.S.-backed coup --
Case #91: School of the Americas-Training Ground for Mass Murderers
and Torturers, 1946-Present---
Case #87: Operation Condor 1968-1980s
U.S.-Directed Campaign of Political Assassination and State Terror --
Case #86: 1964 Brazil Coup and Rise of Brutal Military Dictatorship
THE CRIME: In 1964, a section of the Brazilian military carried --- > Case #83: The U.S.-Mexico War of 1846-1848
The Crime: In the spring of 1846, U.S. President James Polk --
Case #80: 1915-1934: The U.S. Invasion, Occupation and Domination of
Haiti
THE CRIME: On July 28, 1915, U.S. President Woodrow Wilson -->
Case #79: Ronald Reagan's Honduras-The Atrocities of "Battalion 316"
THE CRIME: The U.S. military and CIA trained,
Of course we could go on...
redvet
http://www.vvawai.org/
So, in short, you are saying that because named
USA Presidents (Polk, Wilson, JFK, LBJ, & Reagan) have
done bad things, that, somehow makes Socialism good and
Capitalism bad.
!!!!

More relevant to our youth, the per person gross domestic
product of Vietnam declined as North Vietnam won, and
installed strict communistic central planning principles
to the economy.
By 1985, after Ho Chi Min was long dead, the new
Vietnamese leaders could look at the problems and
make changes to take advantage of free-market (otherwise
known as Capitalism) ideas, and their Doi Moi policy
made great gains as the economy improved at a 7% rate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_Vietnam
"1986-2000
See also: Doi Moi and Equitisation
In 1986 Vietnam launched a political and economic innovation
campaign (Doi Moi) that introduced reforms intended to facilitate
the transition from a centralized economy to a "socialist-oriented
market economy." Doi Moi combined government planning with
free-market incentives. The program abolished agricultural
collectives, removed price controls on agricultural goods, and
enabled farmers to sell their goods in the marketplace.[13] It
encouraged the establishment of private businesses and foreign
investment, including foreign-owned enterprises.[2] It's important
to note that Vietnam still uses five-year plans.
By the late 1990s, the success of the business and agricultural
reforms ushered in under Doi Moi was evident. More than 30,000
private businesses had been created, and the economy was growing
at an annual rate of more than 7 percent. From the early 1990s to
2005, poverty declined from about 50 percent to 29 percent of the
population."
Baxter
2018-11-21 18:42:26 UTC
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So, in short, you are saying that because named
USA Presidents (Polk, Wilson, JFK, LBJ, & Reagan) have
done bad things, that, somehow makes Socialism good and
Capitalism bad.
!!!!
Isn't that the same argument you make against socialism - various leaders
have done bad things in name of Socialism, therfore Socialism is evil?
a425couple
2018-11-22 16:09:28 UTC
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So, in short, you are saying that because named
USA Presidents (Polk, Wilson, JFK, LBJ, & Reagan) have
done bad things, that, somehow makes Socialism good and
Capitalism bad.
!!!!
Isn't that the same argument you make against socialism - various leaders
have done bad things in name of Socialism, therfore Socialism is evil?
I do not think I have ever posted that as an argument
against Socialism. My objection is that Socialism,
(having MORE government control of the economical sphere)
reduces productivity. It adds another layer of interference,
or graft, or corruption.
Also, it is always the temptation for those governmential
leaders to want to control even more.
The petroleum industries in Venezuela, Mexico, and Brazil
are all bad examples. When you treat an industry / business
as a 'cash cow' things go bad.
And all reductions are tough to do.

Here is a reasonably informative article:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2018/07/08/sorry-bernie-bros-but-nordic-countries-are-not-socialist/#23bc24074ad3

Sorry Bernie Bros But Nordic Countries Are Not Socialist
Jeffrey Dorfman
Contributor
I use economic insight to analyze issues and critique policy.

It is certainly true that Sweden, Norway, Finland, and Denmark are
notable economic successes. What is false is that these countries are
particularly socialist.
Perhaps a better name for what the Nordic countries practice would be
compassionate capitalism.

As the American left embraces a platform that continues to look more and
more like a socialist’s dream, it is common for those on the right to
counter with the example of Venezuela as the nightmare of socialism in
reality. A common response from the left is that socialism (or
democratic socialism) works just fine in Sweden, Norway, and Denmark. It
is certainly true that Sweden, Norway, Finland, and Denmark are notable
economic successes. What is false is that these countries are
particularly socialist.

The myth of Nordic socialism is partially created by a confusion between
socialism, meaning government exerting control or ownership of
businesses, and the welfare state in the form of government-provided
social safety net programs. However, the left’s embrace of socialism is
not merely a case of redefining a word. Simply look at the long-running
affinity of leftists with socialist dictators in Cuba, Nicaragua, and
Venezuela for proof many on the left long for real socialism.

To the extent that the left wants to point to an example of successful
socialism, not just generous welfare states, the Nordic countries are
actually a poor case to cite. Regardless of the perception, in reality
the Nordic countries practice mostly free market economics paired with
high taxes exchanged for generous government entitlement programs.

First, it is worth noting that the Nordic counties were economic
successes before they built their welfare states. Those productive
economies, generating good incomes for their workers, allowed the
governments to raise the tax revenue needed to pay for the social
benefits. It was not the government benefits that created wealth, but
wealth that allowed the luxury of such generous government programs.

Second, as evidence of the lack of government interference in business
affairs, there is the fact that none of these countries have minimum
wage laws. Unions are reasonably powerful in many industries and
negotiate contracts, but the government does nothing to ensure any
particular outcome from those negotiations. Workers are paid what they
are worth, not based on government’s perception of what is fair.

A third example of Nordic commitment to free markets can be found in
Sweden which has complete school choice. The government provides
families with vouchers for each child. These vouchers can be used to
attend regular public schools, government-run charter schools, or
private, for-profit schools. Clearly, the use of government funds to pay
for private, for-profit schools is the opposite of socialism.

We can also confirm these isolated facts by looking at a comprehensive
measure of capitalism relative to socialism. The Fraser Institute, a
Vancouver-based, pro-free market, think tank, compiles a worldwide
ranking of countries called the economic freedom index. Its website
explains that its ranking “is an effort to identify how closely the
institutions and policies of a country correspond with a limited
government ideal, where the government protects property rights and
arranges for the provision of a limited set of “public goods” such as
national defense and access to money of sound value, but little beyond
these core functions.” Clearly, a socialist country should perform
poorly in any ranking based on these principles.

What we find, however, is the Nordic countries rank quite high on this
index of economic freedom. In fact, while Hong Kong and Singapore top
the list and the U.S. ranks 12th, we can find the Nordic countries in
quite respectable rankings. Denmark ranks 15, Finland 17, Norway 25, and
Sweden 27. In terms of numerical scores, Sweden is only 5% lower than
the U.S. For further comparison, South Korea and Japan, both considered
fairly pro-free market, rank 32 and 39, respectively.

Socialism can take the form of government controlling or interfering
with free markets, nationalizing industries, and subsidizing favored
ones (green energy, anyone?). The Nordic countries don’t actually do
much of those things. Yes, they offer government-paid healthcare, in
some cases tuition-free university educations, and rather generous
social safety nets, all financed with high taxes. However, it is
possible to do these things without interfering in the private sector
more than required. It is allowing businesses to be productive that
produces the high corporate and personal incomes that support the tax
collections making the government benefits feasible. The Nordic
countries are smart enough not to kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

If the left insists on naming a system of generous government benefits
combined with a free market democratic socialism, I cannot stop them.
That seems unnecessarily confusing since the government is actually
running no industries other than education (and meddling somewhat in
healthcare). It certainly isn’t socialism. In fact, the only reason most
such countries can afford those benefits is that their market economies
are so productive they can cover the expense of the government’s
generosity. Perhaps a better name for what the Nordic countries practice
would be compassionate capitalism.


I am a professor of economics at The University of Georgia and
consultant on economic issues to a variety of corporations and local
governments. Taking a generally free market, libertarian perspective, I
use economics as the lens to analyze government policies from the
local... MORE
Jeffrey Dorfman is a professor of economics at The University of
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Free Lunch. You can follow him on Twitter @DorfmanJeffrey
Baxter
2018-11-22 17:15:16 UTC
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So, in short, you are saying that because named
USA Presidents (Polk, Wilson, JFK, LBJ, & Reagan) have
done bad things, that, somehow makes Socialism good and
Capitalism bad.
!!!!
Isn't that the same argument you make against socialism - various
leaders have done bad things in name of Socialism, therfore Socialism
is evil?
I do not think I have ever posted that as an argument
against Socialism.
It's a special kind of stupid that takes a royal "you" as personal.
Post by a425couple
My objection is that Socialism,
(having MORE government control of the economical sphere)
reduces productivity. It adds another layer of interference,
or graft, or corruption.
Also, it is always the temptation for those governmential
leaders to want to control even more.
Nope. SS and Medicare are examples of the exact opposite of your claims.
jim <""@mwt.net>
2018-11-23 12:35:59 UTC
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(having MORE government control of the economical sphere)
reduces productivity.
What's wrong with "reduces productivity"

You have to be pretty stupid to believe that rampant productivity
growth is something that can be sustained forever.
a425couple
2018-11-23 19:19:53 UTC
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(having MORE government control of the economical sphere)
reduces productivity.
What's wrong with "reduces productivity"
You have to be pretty stupid to believe that rampant productivity
growth is something that can be sustained forever.
Seriously??!!

You are seriously trying to claim, that 500 years after
the Renaissance, economic and technological growth
is going to stop.

That people will quit wanting to buy new telephones
and all other gadgets.

You think that modern man has reached the end of
productivity growth.

Which of the following schools of thought most fits you?
(Or, care to explain your thoughts?)

Luddite
A radical faction destroyed textile machinery as a form of protest.
The group was protesting the use of machinery in a "fraudulent and
deceitful manner" to get around standard labour practices.
Over time, the term has come to mean one opposed to industrialisation,
automation, computerisation, or new technologies in general.

Neo-Luddism
Neo-Luddism or new Luddism is a philosophy opposing many forms of
modern technology
"a leaderless movement of passive resistance to consumerism and
the increasingly bizarre and frightening technologies of the
Computer Age.

Anarcho-primitivism
is an anarchist critique of the origins and progress of civilization.
According to anarcho-primitivism, the shift from hunter-gatherer to
agricultural subsistence gave rise to social stratification, coercion,
alienation, and overpopulation. Anarcho-primitivists advocate a return
of non-"civilized" ways of life through deindustrialization, abolition
of the division of labor or specialization, and abandonment of large-
scale organization technologies.

Bioconservatism (a portmanteau of "biology" and "conservatism")
is a stance of hesitancy and skepticism regarding radical
technological advances, especially those that seek to modify or
enhance the human condition. Bioconservatism is characterized by
a belief that technological trends in today's society risk
compromising human dignity.

By the way, what did you have for dinner yesterday?
jim <""@mwt.net>
2018-11-24 13:36:24 UTC
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Post by a425couple
(having MORE government control of the economical sphere)
reduces productivity.
What's wrong with "reduces productivity"
You have to be pretty stupid to believe that rampant productivity
growth is something that can be sustained forever.
Seriously??!!
You are seriously trying to claim, that 500 years after
the Renaissance, economic and technological growth
is going to stop.
I ask a question and you dodged the question
but to answer your question - no. I don't think
economic and technological growth is going to stop
in this century.
Post by a425couple
That people will quit wanting to buy new telephones
and all other gadgets.
People can want whatever they choose.,, The question
I have is why are morons scared shitless that
somebody might not want telephones and all other gadgets?
Post by a425couple
You think that modern man has reached the end of
productivity growth.
No I don't think that.
Post by a425couple
Which of the following schools of thought most fits you?
(Or, care to explain your thoughts?)
I already told you I believe a person has to be pretty
stupid to believe that infinite productivity growth is
something that can exist.
Baxter
2018-11-24 16:32:43 UTC
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Post by a425couple
That people will quit wanting to buy new telephones
and all other gadgets.
People can want whatever they choose.,, The question
I have is why are morons scared shitless that
somebody might not want telephones and all other gadgets?
Post by a425couple
You think that modern man has reached the end of
productivity growth.
No I don't think that.
Actually, _man_ pretty much has maxed his productivity - now it is
machines, robots and AI. Man is going to be sitting on his unprodictive
butt.
--------------
You Will Lose Your Job to a Robot—and Sooner Than You Think
...
The AI Revolution will be nothing like that. When robots become as smart
and capable as human beings, there will be nothing left for people to do
because machines will be both stronger and smarter than humans. Even if
AI creates lots of new jobs, it’s of no consequence. No matter what job
you name, robots will be able to do it. They will manufacture themselves,
program themselves, repair themselves, and manage themselves. If you
don’t appreciate this, then you don’t appreciate what’s barreling toward
us.

In fact, it’s even worse. In addition to doing our jobs at least as well
as we do them, intelligent robots will be cheaper, faster, and far more
reliable than humans. And they can work 168 hours a week, not just 40. No
capitalist in her right mind would continue to employ humans. They’re
expensive, they show up late, they complain whenever something changes,
and they spend half their time gossiping. Let’s face it: We humans make
lousy laborers.

https://www.motherjones.com/?p=518509
r***@gmail.com
2018-11-22 00:11:58 UTC
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Post by r***@gmail.com
On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 16:47:48 -0800, a425couple
Post by a425couple
If Capitalism is evil and Socialism is the answer,
Why is the caravan not heading to Venezuela?
It's less than half the distance.
Liberals, feel free to answer my question.
Because 'murica has destroyed their economy's and their lives by
engaging in...
Case #95: Reagan's Butcher Carries Out Genocide in Guatemala > THE CRIME: In the early 1980s, following a U.S.-backed coup --
Case #91: School of the Americas-Training Ground for Mass Murderers
and Torturers, 1946-Present---
Case #87: Operation Condor 1968-1980s
U.S.-Directed Campaign of Political Assassination and State Terror --
Case #86: 1964 Brazil Coup and Rise of Brutal Military Dictatorship
THE CRIME: In 1964, a section of the Brazilian military carried --- > Case #83: The U.S.-Mexico War of 1846-1848
The Crime: In the spring of 1846, U.S. President James Polk --
Case #80: 1915-1934: The U.S. Invasion, Occupation and Domination of
Haiti
THE CRIME: On July 28, 1915, U.S. President Woodrow Wilson -->
Case #79: Ronald Reagan's Honduras-The Atrocities of "Battalion 316"
THE CRIME: The U.S. military and CIA trained,
Of course we could go on...
redvet
http://www.vvawai.org/
So, in short, you are saying that because named
USA Presidents (Polk, Wilson, JFK, LBJ, & Reagan) have
done bad things, that, somehow makes Socialism good and
Capitalism bad.
!!!!
redvet: The question was why are they heading for 'Murica...As we
mentioned we could go on as to why our imperialist nation has so
destroyed the economy's and governments of these countries to the
point they are forced to flee the chaos and horror we've created...but
'nuff said

As an aside, we can't understand how anyone with an understand of
socialism would call Venezuela socialist; unless you believe the
Nazi's were socialist.

<stuff sniped in the interest of brevity>

http://www.vvawai.org/
Al Czervik
2018-11-23 19:02:42 UTC
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Post by a425couple
If Capitalism is evil and Socialism is the answer,
Why is the caravan not heading to Venezuela?
It's less than half the distance.
Liberals, feel free to answer my question.
Because 'murica has destroyed their economy's and their lives by
engaging in...
Case #95: Reagan's Butcher Carries Out Genocide in Guatemala > THE
CRIME: In the early 1980s, following a U.S.-backed coup --
Case #91: School of the Americas-Training Ground for Mass Murderers
and Torturers, 1946-Present---
Case #87: Operation Condor 1968-1980s
U.S.-Directed Campaign of Political Assassination and State Terror --
Case #86: 1964 Brazil Coup and Rise of Brutal Military Dictatorship
THE CRIME: In 1964, a section of the Brazilian military carried --- >
Case #83: The U.S.-Mexico War of 1846-1848
The Crime: In the spring of 1846, U.S. President James Polk --
Case #80: 1915-1934: The U.S. Invasion, Occupation and Domination of
Haiti
THE CRIME: On July 28, 1915, U.S. President Woodrow Wilson --> Case
#79: Ronald Reagan's Honduras-The Atrocities of "Battalion 316"
THE CRIME: The U.S. military and CIA trained,
Of course we could go on...
redvet
http://www.vvawai.org/
So, in short, you are saying that because named
USA Presidents (Polk, Wilson, JFK, LBJ, & Reagan) have
done bad things, that, somehow makes Socialism good and
Capitalism bad.
!!!!
And the immigrants want to become part of the "Bad Guy" team.... Yea,
right. Socialism is a disaster.



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2018-11-23 19:00:46 UTC
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If Capitalism is evil and Socialism is the answer,
Why is the caravan not heading to Venezuela?
It's less than half the distance.
Liberals, feel free to answer my question.
Because 'murica has destroyed their economy's and their lives by
engaging in...
So they want to join the enemy? Socialism is a disaster.


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2018-11-22 15:59:04 UTC
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If Capitalism is evil and Socialism is the answer,
Why is the caravan not heading to Venezuela?
It's less than half the distance.
Liberals, feel free to answer my question.
Your logistics is confused, son.
Topaz
2018-11-23 01:57:12 UTC
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If Capitalism is evil and Socialism is the answer,
Why is the caravan not heading to Venezuela?
It's less than half the distance.
Venezuela mainly suffers from sanctions from the Jewish controlled
USA. You don't know about it because Jews control your media.

The caravan is heading toward White people. White people make a nation
great, not capitalism.


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Al Czervik
2018-11-24 16:46:14 UTC
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If Capitalism is evil and Socialism is the answer,
Why is the caravan not heading to Venezuela?
It's less than half the distance.
Venezuela mainly suffers from sanctions from the Jewish controlled
USA.
So a socialist country is 100% dependent on a capitalist one. Makes sense.



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Baxter
2018-11-24 17:03:06 UTC
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If Capitalism is evil and Socialism is the answer,
Why is the caravan not heading to Venezuela?
It's less than half the distance.
Venezuela mainly suffers from sanctions from the Jewish controlled
USA.
So a socialist country is 100% dependent on a capitalist one. Makes sense.
What makes you think "dependant"?
Baxter
2018-11-24 20:08:22 UTC
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If Capitalism is evil and Socialism is the answer,
Why is the caravan not heading to Venezuela?
It's less than half the distance.
Venezuela mainly suffers from sanctions from the Jewish controlled
USA.
So a socialist country is 100% dependent on a capitalist one. Makes sense.
What makes you think "dependant"?
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No, Venezuela doesn’t prove anything about socialism

Venezuela is clearly having its moment in the American conservative
mediasphere. The country’s catastrophic collapse is, we’re told, all we
need to know about the terrifying dangers of socialism.

It bothers me because it’s lazy. But it bothers me more because it’s
wrong.

Since the turn of the century, every big country in South America except
Colombia has elected a socialist president at some point. Socialists have
taken power in South America’s largest economy (Brazil), in its poorest
(Bolivia) and in its most capitalist (Chile). Socialists have led South
America’s most stable country (Uruguay) as well as its most unstable
(Ecuador). Argentina and Peru elected leftists who, for various reasons,
didn’t refer to themselves as socialists — but certainly governed as
such.

Mysteriously, the supposedly automatic link between socialism and the
zombie apocalypse skipped all of them. Not content with merely not-
collapsing, a number of these countries have thrived.

https://is.gd/RowwqP
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Was it socialism or a capitalist conspiracy that tanked Venezuela’s
economy?

And why did Trump want to invade?

Venezuela has true citizen participation, but isn't actually a socialist
country, Artz says: major industries like banking, manufacturing, and
retail were never nationalized, and that is, he claims—along with
sanctions, sabotage, and U.S.-sponsored interference—why the Venezuelan
economy is in trouble. He says food shortages, violence, and unrest on
the streets are being engineered by Venezuela's pissed-off, partially
dispossessed capitalists.

https://is.gd/Nyz5Hh
Al Czervik
2018-11-24 22:14:58 UTC
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If Capitalism is evil and Socialism is the answer,
Why is the caravan not heading to Venezuela?
It's less than half the distance.
Venezuela mainly suffers from sanctions from the Jewish controlled
USA.
So a socialist country is 100% dependent on a capitalist one. Makes sense.
What makes you think "dependant"?
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No, Venezuela doesn’t prove anything about socialism
From a publication that people read:
"The force that is driving Venezuela into the ground is socialism."
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-06-06/socialism-is-devastating-venezuela-and-americans-dont-seem-to-notice

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Al Czervik
2018-11-24 22:10:50 UTC
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If Capitalism is evil and Socialism is the answer,
Why is the caravan not heading to Venezuela?
It's less than half the distance.
Venezuela mainly suffers from sanctions from the Jewish controlled
USA.
So a socialist country is 100% dependent on a capitalist one. Makes sense.
What makes you think "dependant"?
He wrote the Venezuela went out of business because of USA sanctions. If
Venezuela and socialism were worth a shit they wouldn't need the US. Of
course the problem is socialism alone and if the country were run by
capitalists they would have figured out how to make the country with the
world's largest oil reserves work.


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2018-11-24 22:41:55 UTC
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If Capitalism is evil and Socialism is the answer,
Why is the caravan not heading to Venezuela?
It's less than half the distance.
Venezuela mainly suffers from sanctions from the Jewish
controlled
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USA.
So a socialist country is 100% dependent on a capitalist one. Makes sense.
What makes you think "dependant"?
He wrote the Venezuela went out of business because of USA sanctions.
what makes you think you can trust anti-Semite propaganda?
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If
Venezuela and socialism were worth a shit they wouldn't need the US. Of
course the problem is socialism alone and if the country were run by
capitalists they would have figured out how to make the country with the
world's largest oil reserves work.
And yet socialim works just fine in many (all?) the other SA countries.
Al Czervik
2018-11-24 22:52:49 UTC
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If Capitalism is evil and Socialism is the answer,
Why is the caravan not heading to Venezuela?
It's less than half the distance.
Venezuela mainly suffers from sanctions from the Jewish
controlled
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Post by Baxter
Post by Al Czervik
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USA.
So a socialist country is 100% dependent on a capitalist one. Makes sense.
What makes you think "dependant"?
He wrote the Venezuela went out of business because of USA sanctions.
what makes you think you can trust anti-Semite propaganda?
Post by Al Czervik
If
Venezuela and socialism were worth a shit they wouldn't need the US. Of
course the problem is socialism alone and if the country were run by
capitalists they would have figured out how to make the country with
the
Post by Al Czervik
world's largest oil reserves work.
And yet socialim works just fine in many (all?) the other SA countries.
The other economies have kicked the socialists, Dilma and Kirchner, out.


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2018-11-25 04:56:56 UTC
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The other economies have kicked the socialists, Dilma and Kirchner, out.
Dilma -> Brazil. Let's see how socialist:
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Since 2003, Brazil is under a left-wing government (with the leadership
of PT, Partido dos Trabalhadores, the Workers' Party). But those
political leaders did adopt a light, more centered profile to attract
electors and to get credibility from investors. The leftism is more
visible in social programs to help income of poor families and to
facilitate access to house purchase. Acquisition of cars and domestic
facilities were also stimulated. In other hand, financial sector works
the same way of USA and Europe, and most international banks get their
highest profit margins in Brazil due to high interest taxes.

https://www.quora.com/Is-Brazil-socialist
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Hmmm... Sounds like the US is headed in the same direction as Brazil -
and has nothing to do with socialism.

As for Kirchner/Argentina, it's way to early to claim any benefit - or
even any major change.

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