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"Single payer" will COST us money, not save money
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Spain
2017-07-28 14:39:38 UTC
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Single payer works.
Not in Canaduh where they are now PRIVATIZING, and not in Englieland
where patients die at the state's behest like Charlie Gard.

You LIE!

And not even here in feel the Bern-land, you asshole!

http://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanderss-single-payer-health-care-plan-failed-in-vermont

UTOPIAN FANTASY?
Bernie Sanders’s Single-Payer Health Care Plan Failed in Vermont
The single-payer ‘Medicare for All’ plan the presidential hopeful is
evangelizing has already been tried—and failed—in his own home state.
The reasons why are a topic of hot debate.
Baxter
2017-07-29 14:27:36 UTC
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Single payer works.
Not in Canaduh where they are now PRIVATIZING, and not in Englieland
where patients die at the state's behest like Charlie Gard.
You will live longer in England - mortality rates are higher in the US
private system than in England's public system. Charlie Gard would have
died much sooner under the US system - because of lack of Insurance.

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Opinion: Private, for-profit sector biggest source of waste in Canadian
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Spain
2017-07-29 15:55:57 UTC
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Post by Spain
Single payer works.
Not in Canaduh where they are now PRIVATIZING, and not in Englieland
where patients die at the state's behest like Charlie Gard.
You will live longer in England - mortality rates are higher in the US
...based upon:

Diet.

Culture.

Environment.

DNA.

Etc.

You brain damaged lying shitbag!
Post by Baxter
private system than in England's public system.
The "system" is BROKEN in Englieland, asshole - learn:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/12/nhs-dental-service-payment-system-tooth-extractions-children

The NHS dental service is broken – and its rotten payment system is to blame

Ollie Jupes

A rise in hospital tooth extractions for children in England and Wales
is alarming. But this is just one symptom of the growing crisis in NHS
dentistry

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/jeremy-hughes/nhs-challenges_b_5444467.html

As Simon Stevens makes his first major speech as CEO of NHS England, he
has a challenge to change a system that lets our most vulnerable people
down. With its’ approach comprised of too many disconnected services,
our health and care services are antiquated and no longer fit for
purpose. Too many people fall through the gaps, with current structures
and rules preventing flexibility, information sharing and coordination
of services. The towering hospitals of today, large in structure and
ambition might seem impressive from the outside. But, inside hospital
wards up and down the country, people really are often being failed
-often our most vulnerable, including the elderly and people with
dementia. Not through ill-will or bad intention, but because of outdated
structures, training and practices. All too often the universal NHS
services (and frequently the A&E admission) are being called on as a
response to failure in an underfunded social care system.

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(15)00338-1/fulltext

On Sept 6, 2015, the UK-based charity, Cancer Research UK (CRUK),
published two reports assessing imaging and endoscopy capacity in
England. The findings paint a bleak picture: demand for MRI and CT is
expected to increase by at least 9% per year, and use of endoscopy will
increase by 44% by 2020, but staffing, infrastructure, renewal of old
equipment, and financing is insufficient to meet these future demands.
And for those patients who do manage to receive a timely diagnosis,
access to the best treatments will also be limited: 43 medicines have
been removed this year from the controversial, politically motivated
Cancer Drugs Fund affecting 64 cancer indications. Paradoxically, the
delisting of these drugs affects only patients in England whilst they
remain available to patients in other parts of the UK. The so-called
postcode lottery to cancer care in the UK is clearly as widespread as
ever, despite the existence of the National Institute for Health and
Care Excellence (NICE), set up to specifically avoid such inequalities.
Is the UK's National Health Service (NHS) now fundamentally and
irreversibly broken?

Cancer survival in the UK has historically lagged behind rates seen in
other high-income countries. For example, 5-year survival for lung
cancer is only 9·6% in the UK compared with 18·7% in the USA and 16·2%
in Germany. Equally, 5-year survival for another common malignancy,
colon cancer, is 53·8% in the UK with rates in the USA and Germany of
64·7% and 64·6%, respectively. Indeed, similar disparities exist across
all common cancers and, despite considerable efforts to rectify this
situation in the past 10 years, these wide survival gaps between the UK
and other high-income countries stubbornly persist. It is of little
surprise when the NHS is so woefully under-resourced and too poorly
organised to provide the world-class treatment patients in the UK
deserve. NICE recently issued new referral guidelines for General
Practitioners (family doctors) to help improve cancer outcomes by
recommending a lower referral threshold to diagnostic services for
patients with suspicious symptoms. We echo this recommendation in our
own Commission on the expanding role of primary care in cancer services,
published on Sept 30, 2015. If the NHS was a well-functioning and
well-resourced service, this strategy would undoubtedly help. However,
given the CRUK reports, it is likely that waiting lists to access
necessary diagnostic tests will simply grow ever longer along with
delays in communicating results—increasing patient anxiety and the
likelihood of even worse treatment outcomes.
Curt Portland
2017-07-29 15:57:35 UTC
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Opinion: Private,
But first your heart is spasming again, innit?

Better take your nitroglycerin pills, bypass boy, your arteries are
clogging up again...


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Al Czervik
2017-08-01 04:50:36 UTC
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Post by Spain
Single payer works.
Not in Canaduh where they are now PRIVATIZING, and not in Englieland
where patients die at the state's behest like Charlie Gard.
You will live longer in England - mortality rates are higher in the US
private system than in England's public system.
A Brit comes to work in the US and has employer paid insurance like the
rest of us... Why is he going to die sooner now?
Post by Baxter
Charlie Gard would have
died much sooner under the US system - because of lack of Insurance.
The problem with your bad heart is that it reduces the oxygen to what is
left of your brain.

1) Why would Charlie's well to do parents not have insurance in the US?
2) Even if he didn't, why would the hospital turn him away?
3) His parents raised $1.7M on gofundme but couldn't use a dime because
the UK single payer wanted him to die. How would that make him "die sooner"?
3) His treatment in the UK consisted of:
A. Infant Ventilator
B. Nothing else
C. That is what you get
D. When the government treats your illness as a liability

According to the liberal death cult this is a good thing - that we could
not perform experimental research on Charlie.


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Baxter
2017-08-01 05:09:30 UTC
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Post by Spain
Single payer works.
Not in Canaduh where they are now PRIVATIZING, and not in Englieland
where patients die at the state's behest like Charlie Gard.
You will live longer in England - mortality rates are higher in the
US private system than in England's public system.
A Brit comes to work in the US and has employer paid insurance like
the rest of us... Why is he going to die sooner now?
Because his employer only can afford catastrophic coverage - he has to
have that heart attack before he can be treated,
Post by Al Czervik
Post by Baxter
Charlie Gard would have
died much sooner under the US system - because of lack of Insurance.
The problem with your bad heart is that it reduces the oxygen to what
is left of your brain.
My heart is fine - thanks to Medicare.
Post by Al Czervik
1) Why would Charlie's well to do parents not have insurance in the
US? 2) Even if he didn't, why would the hospital turn him away?
3) His parents raised $1.7M on gofundme but couldn't use a dime
because the UK single payer wanted him to die. How would that make him
A. Infant Ventilator
B. Nothing else
C. That is what you get
D. When the government treats your illness as a liability
According to the liberal death cult this is a good thing - that we
could not perform experimental research on Charlie.
The US doctor saw Charlie - he couldn't help for any amount of money.
You're just replaying the Terri Schiavo case all over.
Al Czervik
2017-08-01 05:25:06 UTC
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Post by Spain
Single payer works.
Not in Canaduh where they are now PRIVATIZING, and not in Englieland
where patients die at the state's behest like Charlie Gard.
You will live longer in England - mortality rates are higher in the
US private system than in England's public system.
A Brit comes to work in the US and has employer paid insurance like
the rest of us... Why is he going to die sooner now?
Because his employer only can afford catastrophic coverage - he has to
have that heart attack before he can be treated,
Post by Al Czervik
Post by Baxter
Charlie Gard would have
died much sooner under the US system - because of lack of Insurance.
The problem with your bad heart is that it reduces the oxygen to what
is left of your brain.
My heart is fine - thanks to Medicare.
Post by Al Czervik
1) Why would Charlie's well to do parents not have insurance in the
US? 2) Even if he didn't, why would the hospital turn him away?
3) His parents raised $1.7M on gofundme but couldn't use a dime
because the UK single payer wanted him to die. How would that make him
A. Infant Ventilator
B. Nothing else
C. That is what you get
D. When the government treats your illness as a liability
According to the liberal death cult this is a good thing - that we
could not perform experimental research on Charlie.
The US doctor saw Charlie - he couldn't help for any amount of money.
You're just replaying the Terri Schiavo case all over.
"Liberal death cult"

I'll tell medicare you don't need anymore treatment for your bad heart
and eventually you won't.



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Curt Portland
2017-08-01 16:06:29 UTC
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My heart is fine
But first your heart is spasming again, innit?

Better take your nitroglycerin pills, bypass boy, your arteries are
clogging up again...


| \ \ | |/ /
| |\ `' ' /
| ;'aorta \ / , pulmonary
| ; _, | / / , arteries
superior | | ( `-.;_,-' '-' ,
vena cava | `, `-._ _,-'_
|,-`. `.) ,<_,-'_, pulmonary
,' `. / ,' `;-' _, veins
; `./ /`, \-'
| right / | ;\ |\
| atrium ;_,._|_, `, ' \
| \ \ ` `,
` __ ` \ left ;,
\ ,' ` \, ventricle
\_( ;, ;;
| \ `;, ;;
inferior | |`. `;;, ;'
vena cava | | `-. ;;;;,;' FL
| | |`-.._ ,;;;;;'
| | | | ``';;;'
aorta





BAXTURD's PETER METER

|=====|
| |
| 9 |
| | ,-%/%|
| 6 | _,-' \//%\
| | _,-' \%/|%
| 3 | / / ) __,-- /%\
| | \__/_,-'%(% ; %)%
| 0 | %\%, %\
|=====| '--%'
__________________________________________________________________________
"At my age, I don't need balls. I'm done with the procreation stuff."
"I've been around pimps before (as a "slumlord")..."
Curt Portland
2017-08-02 15:09:50 UTC
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My heart is fine - thanks to Medicare.
But first your heart is spasming again, innit?

Better take your nitroglycerin pills, bypass boy, your arteries are
clogging up again...


| \ \ | |/ /
| |\ `' ' /
| ;'aorta \ / , pulmonary
| ; _, | / / , arteries
superior | | ( `-.;_,-' '-' ,
vena cava | `, `-._ _,-'_
|,-`. `.) ,<_,-'_, pulmonary
,' `. / ,' `;-' _, veins
; `./ /`, \-'
| right / | ;\ |\
| atrium ;_,._|_, `, ' \
| \ \ ` `,
` __ ` \ left ;,
\ ,' ` \, ventricle
\_( ;, ;;
| \ `;, ;;
inferior | |`. `;;, ;'
vena cava | | `-. ;;;;,;' FL
| | |`-.._ ,;;;;;'
| | | | ``';;;'
aorta





BAXTURD's PETER METER

|=====|
| |
| 9 |
| | ,-%/%|
| 6 | _,-' \//%\
| | _,-' \%/|%
| 3 | / / ) __,-- /%\
| | \__/_,-'%(% ; %)%
| 0 | %\%, %\
|=====| '--%'
__________________________________________________________________________
"At my age, I don't need balls. I'm done with the procreation stuff."
"I've been around pimps before (as a "slumlord")..."

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