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Medicare has HIGHER administrative costs than private insurance
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tyre biter
2017-07-28 14:32:27 UTC
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Why lie? Medicare has a far, far lower overhead than private
insurance. End of story.
Ever try to actually SEE the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?

Rotsa ruck, you leftarded asshole liar:


http://managedhealthcareexecutive.modernmedicine.com/managed-healthcare-executive/content/more-primary-care-physicians-turning-away-medicaid-patients

More primary care physicians turning away Medicaid patients
One-fourth currently don't see any Medicare or Medicaid members

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/more-mds-turning-down-medicare-medicaid-patients/

More MDs turning down Medicare, Medicaid patients
JULY 11, 2011, 3:36 AM| If implemented, a new government proposal would
cut reimbursement rates for doctors who accept Medicare and Medicaid,
harming patients who rely on the programs. Susan Koeppen reports.
Spain
2017-07-28 14:35:40 UTC
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He's a right wing kook and a liar.
You're a paid leftard serial liar and exterminable filth.

Die REAL SOON!
Bill Shatzer
2017-07-29 03:14:43 UTC
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Ever try to actually SEE the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?
I never had a problem.

And even if you want to see a physician who is not enrolled with
Medicare, you can pay out of your own pocket and Medicare will reimburse
you for the visit/procedure according to its payment schedule.

The amount you end up being responsible for is roughly equal to the
co-pay/deductible which would be charged under most any private
insurance policy.

-snips-
Post by tyre biter
More primary care physicians turning away Medicaid patients
One-fourth currently don't see any Medicare or Medicaid members
Simply incorrect.
Post by tyre biter
http://www.kff.org/medicare/issue-brief/primary-care-physicians-accepting-medicare-a-snapshot/
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/more-mds-turning-down-medicare-medicaid-patients/
More MDs turning down Medicare, Medicaid patients
JULY 11, 2011, 3:36 AM| If implemented, a new government proposal would
cut reimbursement rates for doctors who accept Medicare and Medicaid,
harming patients who rely on the programs. Susan Koeppen reports.
Your reference doesn't say anything about the percentage of primary care
physicians declining medicare/medicaid patients.

peace and justice,
a322x1n
2017-07-29 04:37:06 UTC
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Post by tyre biter
Ever try to actually SEE the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?
I never had a problem.
And even if you want to see a physician who is not enrolled with
Medicare, you can pay out of your own pocket and Medicare will
reimburse you for the visit/procedure according to its payment
schedule.
The amount you end up being responsible for is roughly equal to the
co-pay/deductible which would be charged under most any private
insurance policy.
-snips-
Post by tyre biter
More primary care physicians turning away Medicaid patients
One-fourth currently don't see any Medicare or Medicaid members
Simply incorrect.
Post by tyre biter
http://www.kff.org/medicare/issue-brief/primary-care-physicians-accepti
ng-medicare-a-snapshot/
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/more-mds-turning-down-medicare-medicaid-
patients/
More MDs turning down Medicare, Medicaid patients
JULY 11, 2011, 3:36 AM| If implemented, a new government proposal
would cut reimbursement rates for doctors who accept Medicare and
Medicaid, harming patients who rely on the programs. Susan Koeppen
reports.
Your reference doesn't say anything about the percentage of primary
care physicians declining medicare/medicaid patients.
peace and justice,
Thanks, excellent points!
tyre biter
2017-07-29 15:51:45 UTC
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Your reference doesn't say anything about the percentage of primary
care physicians declining medicare/medicaid patients.
peace and justice,
Thanks, excellent points!
STFU 1/2 wit - you are a lying MORON too!



https://www.advisory.com/Daily-Briefing/2013/07/29/WSJ-Doctors-turn-away-Medicare-patients

July 29, 2013
New data show that nearly three times more physicians opted out of
Medicare in 2012 than in 2009, and doctors who stayed in the program are
limiting their patient load, the Wall Street Journal reports.
According to CMS, 9,539 physicians who previously had accepted Medicare
opted out of the program in 2012, compared with 3,700 who opted out in
2009. Further, a similar study by the American Academy of Family
Physicians (AAFP) found that 81% of family physicians accepted new
Medicare patients in 2012, compared with 83% who did so in 2010.
Physicians have noted several reasons for opting out of Medicare, including:
Low reimbursement rates;
Displeasure with the government's increasing involvement in medicine; or
Concerns about patient privacy.
Cash-only practices? More doctors turn down insurance coverage
Some physicians have said that Medicare's reimbursement rates—which can
be as low as $58 for a 15-minute office visit—mean that they have to see
as many as 30 or more patients per day. AAFP President Jeffrey Cain
said, "Family physicians have been fed up for a long time and it's
getting worse."
At the same time, fewer doctors are choosing not to accept new Medicaid
beneficiaries, the Journal reports. A study in the journal Health
Affairs this month found that 33% of primary care physicians did not
accept new Medicaid patients in 2010 and 2011.
tyre biter
2017-07-29 15:50:39 UTC
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Ever try to actually SEE the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?
I never had a problem.
Anecdotal, many, many others have:

http://www.nextavenue.org/what-do-if-your-doctor-wont-take-medicare/

What to Do if Your Doctor Won’t Take Medicare
More physicians are refusing, so ask yours before you hit 65 and then
follow these strategies if you'll be turned away

The Medicare Complaint That’s Growing

But we’re learning that Medicare’s not so easy after all. There are
still monthly premium payments, copays and deductibles — and not all
claims are processed smoothly.

Even more distressing is the complaint I’ve been hearing over and over:
Some doctors are now refusing to take Medicare patients. They’re balking
at the federal health program’s mandatory, low reimbursement rates and
high paperwork burdens.

For example, while nearly 80 percent of the Texas Medical Association’s
doctors were taking new Medicare patients in 2000, last year fewer than
60 percent were, according to a recent PBS NewsHour report.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/business/retirementspecial/02health.html

Doctors Are Opting Out of Medicare

Many people, just as they become eligible for Medicare, discover that
the insurance rug has been pulled out from under them. Some doctors —
often internists but also gastroenterologists, gynecologists,
psychiatrists and other specialists — are no longer accepting Medicare,
either because they have opted out of the insurance system or they are
not accepting new patients with Medicare coverage. The doctors’ reasons:
reimbursement rates are too low and paperwork too much of a hassle.
Post by Bill Shatzer
And even if you want to see a physician who is not enrolled with
Medicare, you can pay out of your own pocket and Medicare will reimburse
you for the visit/procedure according to its payment schedule.
Bullshit lie!

https://www.carepathways.com/articles/will-medicare-pay-for-in-home-care.cfm

Will Medicare Pay for In-Home Care?
Families are quite distressed when they discover that Medicare will not
pay for a home caregiver.

Medicare will not reimburse in-home caregivers to assist aging loved
ones with basic activities of daily living (ADLs) such as personal care,
meal preparation, transportation, medication reminders and housekeeping.
In-homecare often referred to as custodial care is not covered by
Medicare in spite of the dire need of these services by countless
seniors. Furthermore it is exactly these non-medical homecare services
that enable seniors to remain safely in their homes and age with
dignity. Home care that is considered non-medical in nature is sadly not
an allowable expense covered by our national Medicare program. Whether
it is part-time, fulltime, or even live-in homecare the answer is still
a resounding NO when it comes to Medicare reimbursement. Numerous
families understandably are quite distressed when they unexpectedly
discover that Medicare will not pay for in-home care to support their
aging parents.
Post by Bill Shatzer
The amount you end up being responsible for is roughly equal to the
co-pay/deductible which would be charged under most any private
insurance policy.
-snips-
LIAR!

http://www.seniorcorps.org/medicare/when-will-a-medicare-supplement-not-pay-for-something/

A Medicare Supplement Plan Can Be Denied When Medicare Is denied
A Medicare supplement plan pays coinsurance’s, deductibles and treatment
costs left over. However in circumstances, when Medicare does not
reimburse a claim, the secondary plan is unable to help the patient.
Common causes include exhausted benefits and elective procedures.
Medicare limits the amount of coverage a person gets, depending on how
much they pay and the guidelines present. Medicare also does not
reimburse patients for treatments that can be considered unnecessary.
Unnecessary treatments include plastic surgery and unrelated medications.
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Post by tyre biter
More primary care physicians turning away Medicaid patients
One-fourth currently don't see any Medicare or Medicaid members
Simply incorrect.
No, 100% true, you lying old shitbag!

https://www.advisory.com/Daily-Briefing/2013/07/29/WSJ-Doctors-turn-away-Medicare-patients

July 29, 2013
New data show that nearly three times more physicians opted out of
Medicare in 2012 than in 2009, and doctors who stayed in the program are
limiting their patient load, the Wall Street Journal reports.
According to CMS, 9,539 physicians who previously had accepted Medicare
opted out of the program in 2012, compared with 3,700 who opted out in
2009. Further, a similar study by the American Academy of Family
Physicians (AAFP) found that 81% of family physicians accepted new
Medicare patients in 2012, compared with 83% who did so in 2010.
Physicians have noted several reasons for opting out of Medicare, including:
Low reimbursement rates;
Displeasure with the government's increasing involvement in medicine; or
Concerns about patient privacy.
Cash-only practices? More doctors turn down insurance coverage
Some physicians have said that Medicare's reimbursement rates—which can
be as low as $58 for a 15-minute office visit—mean that they have to see
as many as 30 or more patients per day. AAFP President Jeffrey Cain
said, "Family physicians have been fed up for a long time and it's
getting worse."
At the same time, fewer doctors are choosing not to accept new Medicaid
beneficiaries, the Journal reports. A study in the journal Health
Affairs this month found that 33% of primary care physicians did not
accept new Medicaid patients in 2010 and 2011.
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Post by tyre biter
http://www.kff.org/medicare/issue-brief/primary-care-physicians-accepting-medicare-a-snapshot/
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/more-mds-turning-down-medicare-medicaid-patients/
More MDs turning down Medicare, Medicaid patients
JULY 11, 2011, 3:36 AM| If implemented, a new government proposal would
cut reimbursement rates for doctors who accept Medicare and Medicaid,
harming patients who rely on the programs. Susan Koeppen reports.
Your reference doesn't say anything about the percentage of primary care
physicians declining medicare/medicaid patients.
Oh?

At the same time, fewer doctors are choosing not to accept new Medicaid
beneficiaries, the Journal reports. A study in the journal Health
Affairs this month found that 33% of primary care physicians did not
accept new Medicaid patients in 2010 and 2011.
Post by Bill Shatzer
peace and justice,
Suck on THAT, ya fucking lying old fart!

You LIED.

You got CAUGHT LYING.

DROP DAMNED DEAD!!!!

https://www.fool.com/retirement/2016/11/06/200000-doctors-turning-away-new-medicare-patients.aspx

200,000 Doctors Turning Away New Medicare Patients? Here's How It
Impacts You
Many physicians are saying they'll quit taking new Medicare patients or
leave the program altogether. Why -- and what could it mean for many
Americans?

We're not going to take it anymore.

That's what around 200,000 physicians across the U.S. could be saying
about Medicare. Two surveys confirm that many doctors are looking to
either exit the federal healthcare program or quit taking new patients.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/781996

Cancer clinics across the United States have begun turning away Medicare
patients, according to a report published April 3 in the Washington Post.
Oncologists are blaming the federal cuts and say that they cannot treat
patients with expensive drugs and stay financially solvent.
In fact, one practice has made the decision to eliminate one third of
their 16,000 Medicare patients, according to the report. "If we treated
the patients receiving the most expensive drugs, we'd be out of business
in 6 months to a year," said Jeffrey Vacirca, MD, chief executive of
North Shore Hematology Oncology Associates in New York. "The drugs we're
going to lose money on we're not going to administer right now," he
explained.
The automatic across-the-board budget cuts, known as sequestration, have
slashed Medicare payments to physicians by 2%. The reduction does not
apply to the Medicare allowed charge for a given service, but it does
apply to the 80% share that the government pays to a physician, as
previously reported by Medscape Medical News.

http://managedhealthcareexecutive.modernmedicine.com/managed-healthcare-executive/content/more-primary-care-physicians-turning-away-medicaid-patients

More primary care physicians turning away Medicaid patients
One-fourth currently don't see any Medicare or Medicaid members

NATIONAL REPORTS — Medicaid populations might soon be facing additional
problems in accessing care, industry experts say, as more physicians
turn down new patients.

According to a recent survey released by Jackson Healthcare, a staffing
company based in Atlanta, an increasing number of physicians say they
cannot afford to see Medicare and Medicaid patients. Survey results
showed that 26% of physicians currently don't see Medicare and Medicaid
patients, and 36% say they are no longer accepting new patients.

Among those who are the least likely to see new patients, 45% are family
practitioners—an increase over previous surveys. It's particularly
concerning for Medicaid populations, which are positioned to rise in
number quickly.

"Let's just let the big elephant out of the room—people lose money on
Medicaid," says Rick Jackson, chairman and CEO of Jackson Healthcare.
"It's the reality. Physicians don't take Medicaid patients because
they're giving away free care. And if 20% of their business is already
Medicaid, the reason they're not going to accept any more is because
they can't give away any more."

Some large provider organizations stopped accepting certain
government-program patients years ago, including the Mayo Clinic,
Jackson says. Likewise, many states have cut reimbursement to Medicaid
as a means to control costs.
Bill Shatzer
2017-07-29 20:14:32 UTC
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Ever try to actually SEE the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?
I never had a problem.
http://www.nextavenue.org/what-do-if-your-doctor-wont-take-medicare/
What to Do if Your Doctor Won’t Take Medicare
More physicians are refusing, so ask yours before you hit 65 and then
follow these strategies if you'll be turned away
Pay the physician out of your own pocket and submit the bill to medicare
for reimbursement according to medicare's schedule. You won't (usually)
get 100% reimbursement but you'll get a healthy percentage of it.

When I was caring for my elderly mother, we had one doctor who chose not
to accept medicare. If I recall correctly, the net cost of an office
visit with him after medicare reimbursement was seventeen dollars and
some odd cents. Which compares pretty favorably to the $15-20$ co-pay my
current private health insurance requires.


peace and justice,
tyre biter
2017-07-29 20:20:24 UTC
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Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by tyre biter
Ever try to actually SEE the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?
I never had a problem.
http://www.nextavenue.org/what-do-if-your-doctor-wont-take-medicare/
What to Do if Your Doctor Won’t Take Medicare
More physicians are refusing, so ask yours before you hit 65 and then
follow these strategies if you'll be turned away
Pay the physician out of your own pocket and submit the bill to medicare
for reimbursement according to medicare's schedule.
Shaddup, liar.

http://www.seniorcorps.org/medicare/when-will-a-medicare-supplement-not-pay-for-something/

A Medicare supplement plan pays coinsurance’s, deductibles and treatment
costs left over. However in circumstances, when Medicare does not
reimburse a claim, the secondary plan is unable to help the patient.
Common causes include exhausted benefits and elective procedures.
Medicare limits the amount of coverage a person gets, depending on how
much they pay and the guidelines present. Medicare also does not
reimburse patients for treatments that can be considered unnecessary.
Unnecessary treatments include plastic surgery and unrelated medications.
Post by Bill Shatzer
When I was caring for my elderly mother,
No one cares.

You lied and were caught.

Now shaddup, clown.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/PublicHealthPolicy/Medicaid/26808

WASHINGTON -- The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) has
announced that hospitals and healthcare providers will no longer be
reimbursed for treating their Medicaid patients for illnesses, injuries,
or readmissions that should have been prevented.
A final rule announced Wednesday enacts a portion of the Affordable Care
Act (ACA) that prohibits states from making Medicaid payments to
providers for conditions that are deemed "reasonably preventable."
In 2008, Medicare stopped reimbursing hospitals for treating conditions,
infections, or illnesses that were acquired in the hospital, and for any
readmissions associated with treating those hospital-acquired conditions.
The Medicaid list of what is preventable mirrors the Medicare list,
which includes transfusing the wrong blood type; falls that result in
dislocation, fractures, or head injuries; burns and electric shocks;
catheter-associated urinary tract infections; surgical site infections
after bariatric surgery or coronary artery bypass; and manifestations of
poor glycemic control.
In addition, CMS has issued National Coverage Decisions stating that
Medicare won't pay for certain so-called "never events" -- those which
should never happen -- including performing the wrong procedure;
performing the procedure on the wrong body part, or performing the
correct procedure, but on the wrong patient.
Medicaid will also follow Medicare's lead on that issue and not pay for
never events.
Tzatz Ziki
2017-07-30 01:02:23 UTC
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Pay the physician out of your own pocket
You do realize you're replying to that worthless shitbag spammy,
right?
tyre biter
2017-07-30 01:23:06 UTC
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Pay the physician out of your own pocket
You do realize you're replying to that worthless shitbag spammy,
right?
You do realize he's liar like you, right?
Al Czervik
2017-08-01 04:58:46 UTC
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Ever try to actually SEE the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?
I never had a problem.
http://www.nextavenue.org/what-do-if-your-doctor-wont-take-medicare/
What to Do if Your Doctor Won’t Take Medicare
More physicians are refusing, so ask yours before you hit 65 and then
follow these strategies if you'll be turned away
Pay the physician out of your own pocket and submit the bill to medicare
for reimbursement according to medicare's schedule. You won't (usually)
get 100% reimbursement but you'll get a healthy percentage of it.
That's exactly why the Obamacare enrollment numbers were inflated. The
exchanges quoted rates that included the subsidy. Customers saw the low
rates and signed up (Obamacare numbers up). Then they found out they
were on the hook for all the full price of the premiums, deductibles and
co-pays and wouldn't see a rebate until later and they stopped paying
(real Obamacare numbers downs) because...

THEY

COULD

NOT

AFFORD

IT.

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2017-08-01 09:25:47 UTC
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Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by tyre biter
Ever try to actually SEE the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?
I never had a problem.
http://www.nextavenue.org/what-do-if-your-doctor-wont-take-medicare/
What to Do if Your Doctor Won’t Take Medicare
More physicians are refusing, so ask yours before you hit 65 and
then follow these strategies if you'll be turned away
Pay the physician out of your own pocket and submit the bill to
medicare for reimbursement according to medicare's schedule. You
won't (usually) get 100% reimbursement but you'll get a healthy
percentage of it.
That's exactly why the Obamacare enrollment numbers were inflated. The
exchanges quoted rates that included the subsidy. Customers saw the
low rates and signed up (Obamacare numbers up). Then they found out
they were on the hook for all the full price of the premiums,
deductibles and co-pays and wouldn't see a rebate until later and they
stopped paying (real Obamacare numbers downs) because...
THEY
COULD
NOT
AFFORD
IT.
So, lets do Single Payer, it's the only way for America!!!
Curt Portland
2017-08-01 16:19:45 UTC
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That's exactly why the Obamacare enrollment numbers were inflated. The
exchanges quoted rates that included the subsidy. Customers saw the
low rates and signed up (Obamacare numbers up). Then they found out
they were on the hook for all the full price of the premiums,
deductibles and co-pays and wouldn't see a rebate until later and they
stopped paying (real Obamacare numbers downs) because...
THEY
COULD
NOT
AFFORD
IT.
So, lets do Single Payer, it's the only way for America!!!
Shut your filthy socialist piehole, you scumsucker.
Curt Portland
2017-08-03 15:50:55 UTC
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Pay the physician out of your own pocket
Help yourself to a suicide, you traitor.

I'm always reminded of YOUR very *special personal sentiments* regarding
the tragic terror attacks of 911, Bill:

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Bill Shatzer wrote:

And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.

It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.

Peace and justice,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


I think we can ALL do well to reflect on what kind of sick sociopath
would come up with those words in honor of 911...


Oh and let's add in your death threat against the President:

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Anyone else notice the similarities between Trump's attacks on the
"lying media" and "fake news" and the Nazi smear campaign against the
"Lugenpresse"?

You can, as they say, look it up.

This man must be stopped - peacefully if possible, otherwise if necessary.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


You'd best have some slick lawyering talk for secret Service when they
pay you a visit, Shitzie!
Curt Portland
2017-07-29 16:07:18 UTC
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I never had a problem.
You miserable treasonous VERMIN!


I'm always reminded of YOUR very *special personal sentiments* regarding
the attacks of 911, Bill:

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Bill Shatzer wrote:

And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.

It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.

Peace and justice,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


I think we can ALL do well to reflect on what kind of sick sociopath
would come up with those words in honor of 911...


Oh and let's add in your naked death threat against the President:

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Anyone else notice the similarities between Trump's attacks on the
"lying media" and "fake news" and the Nazi smear campaign against the
"Lugenpresse"?

You can, as they say, look it up.

This man must be stopped - peacefully if possible, otherwise if necessary.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


You'd best have some slick lawyering talk for the Secret Service when
they pay you a visit, Shitzie!
Al Czervik
2017-08-01 04:31:05 UTC
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Ever try to actually SEE the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?
I never had a problem.
And even if you want to see a physician who is not enrolled with
Medicare, you can pay out of your own pocket and Medicare will reimburse
you for the visit/procedure according to its payment schedule.
Not only was "single-payer" *NOT* going to reimburse Charlie Gard's
parents, they weren't going to let them "pay out of [their] own pocket".



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2017-08-01 09:23:27 UTC
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Ever try to actually SEE the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?
I never had a problem.
And even if you want to see a physician who is not enrolled with
Medicare, you can pay out of your own pocket and Medicare will
reimburse you for the visit/procedure according to its payment
schedule.
Not only was "single-payer" *NOT* going to reimburse Charlie Gard's
parents, they weren't going to let them "pay out of [their] own pocket".
Bull shit. Everone in Great Britain has access to private insurance and
private care. The two systems work independently. The wealthier people
use the private system more than the middle class, but the middle class
still gets care. Here, only the wealthier people have access to medical
care.
Al Czervik
2017-08-01 13:07:14 UTC
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Ever try to actually SEE the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?
I never had a problem.
And even if you want to see a physician who is not enrolled with
Medicare, you can pay out of your own pocket and Medicare will
reimburse you for the visit/procedure according to its payment
schedule.
Not only was "single-payer" *NOT* going to reimburse Charlie Gard's
parents, they weren't going to let them "pay out of [their] own pocket".
Bull shit.
Single payer was going to pay for Charlie's treatment in the US? You're
delusional. The UK system in toto, including single payer divested
Charlie's parents of any decision making with regard to Charlie's
treatment in the US and end of life.

Hey, if you think the government (i.e. Trump) knows how to take better
care of you and your family than you do keep reaching for that golden ring.
Everone in Great Britain has access to private insurance and
private care. The two systems work independently. The wealthier people
use the private system more than the middle class, but the middle class
still gets care. Here, only the wealthier people have access to medical
care...
...And those on Medicaid and a host of state programs.

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Curt Portland
2017-08-01 16:20:22 UTC
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verone in Great Britain has access to private insurance and
private care. The two systems work independently. The wealthier people
use the private system more than the middle class, but
Iow single payer has FAILED>

The same thing is happening in Canaduh.
Bill Shatzer
2017-08-02 03:13:57 UTC
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Ever try to actually SEE the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?
I never had a problem.
And even if you want to see a physician who is not enrolled with
Medicare, you can pay out of your own pocket and Medicare will reimburse
you for the visit/procedure according to its payment schedule.
Not only was "single-payer" *NOT* going to reimburse Charlie Gard's
parents, they weren't going to let them "pay out of [their] own pocket".
Charlie's parents weren't charged a farthing for his care and treatment.

And the National Health Service wasn't involved at all. It was his
doctors and the court system who determined further treatment had no
possibility of a cure and would only prolong his suffering.

peace and justice
Al Czervik
2017-08-02 04:59:20 UTC
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Ever try to actually SEE the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?
I never had a problem.
And even if you want to see a physician who is not enrolled with
Medicare, you can pay out of your own pocket and Medicare will reimburse
you for the visit/procedure according to its payment schedule.
Not only was "single-payer" *NOT* going to reimburse Charlie Gard's
parents, they weren't going to let them "pay out of [their] own pocket".
Charlie's parents weren't charged a farthing for his care and treatment.
And the National Health Service wasn't involved at all. It was his
doctors and the court system who determined further treatment had no
possibility of a cure and would only prolong his suffering.
I understand that long ago you laid your free will at the alter of big
government and having the government telling you what to do is a comfort
to you. I understand that what I'm about to write will leave you staring
into a black hole of incomprehension. What you described is a pretty
fair assessment of what occurred. What you consider big brother,
efficient, unattached bureaucrats making end of life decisions against
the will of capable families is objectionable to the freedom loving. I
understand that it easier to pull someone else down than to pull
yourself up. I understand that you'd like the rest of us to submit and
give up our freedom so there is no possibility that we can use our
resources our ingenuity our industry and our families to build something
better than what you have.

Sorry, not going to happen. We love our families and we know what is
best for them. Pull that shit over here and we'll show the
leftist-campus pussies how to riot.

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2017-08-02 14:26:42 UTC
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Post by Al Czervik
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by Al Czervik
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by tyre biter
Ever try to actually SEE the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?
I never had a problem.
And even if you want to see a physician who is not enrolled with
Medicare, you can pay out of your own pocket and Medicare will
reimburse you for the visit/procedure according to its payment
schedule.
Not only was "single-payer" *NOT* going to reimburse Charlie Gard's
parents, they weren't going to let them "pay out of [their] own pocket".
Charlie's parents weren't charged a farthing for his care and
treatment.
And the National Health Service wasn't involved at all. It was his
doctors and the court system who determined further treatment had no
possibility of a cure and would only prolong his suffering.
I understand that long ago you laid your free will at the
Tax cuts and Welfare for the Rich keeps being spun as "Freedom" and "free
will" for the working class.

Rightards never met or even heard of a rich man they didn't worship.
Curt Portland
2017-08-02 15:09:06 UTC
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Post by Baxter
Rightards never
But first your heart is spasming again, innit?

Better take your nitroglycerin pills, bypass boy, your arteries are
clogging up again...


| \ \ | |/ /
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superior | | ( `-.;_,-' '-' ,
vena cava | `, `-._ _,-'_
|,-`. `.) ,<_,-'_, pulmonary
,' `. / ,' `;-' _, veins
; `./ /`, \-'
| right / | ;\ |\
| atrium ;_,._|_, `, ' \
| \ \ ` `,
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\ ,' ` \, ventricle
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__________________________________________________________________________
"At my age, I don't need balls. I'm done with the procreation stuff."
"I've been around pimps before (as a "slumlord")..."
Al Czervik
2017-08-03 05:58:24 UTC
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Post by Baxter
Post by Al Czervik
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by Al Czervik
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by tyre biter
Ever try to actually SEE the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?
I never had a problem.
And even if you want to see a physician who is not enrolled with
Medicare, you can pay out of your own pocket and Medicare will
reimburse you for the visit/procedure according to its payment
schedule.
Not only was "single-payer" *NOT* going to reimburse Charlie Gard's
parents, they weren't going to let them "pay out of [their] own pocket".
Charlie's parents weren't charged a farthing for his care and treatment.
And the National Health Service wasn't involved at all. It was his
doctors and the court system who determined further treatment had no
possibility of a cure and would only prolong his suffering.
I understand that long ago you laid your free will at the
Tax cuts and Welfare for the Rich keeps being spun as "Freedom" and "free
will" for the working class.
It's freedom for the rich - who (the 1%) pay 40% of the federal income
tax already. I understand that this kind of freedom, to prosper, is
abhorrent to you because you cannot.
Post by Baxter
Rightards never met or even heard of a rich man they didn't worship.
Yea, they worship George Soros and Al Gore.

I am certain you need a stint. That blood isn't quite getting past your
Adams apple.



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Curt Portland
2017-08-02 15:08:10 UTC
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Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by Al Czervik
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by tyre biter
Ever try to actually SEE the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?
I never had a problem.
And even if you want to see a physician who is not enrolled with
Medicare, you can pay out of your own pocket and Medicare will reimburse
you for the visit/procedure according to its payment schedule.
Not only was "single-payer" *NOT* going to reimburse Charlie Gard's
parents, they weren't going to let them "pay out of [their] own pocket".
Charlie's parents weren't charged a farthing for his care and treatment.
You mean his slow and tragic DEATH, you servant of Satan.

You will BURN IN HELL SHITZER!
Curt Portland
2017-08-03 15:50:08 UTC
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Post by Bill Shatzer
Charlie's parents weren't charged a farthing for his care and treatment.
You mean his DEATH, you subhuman ghoul!


Help yourself to a suicide, you traitor.

I'm always reminded of YOUR very *special personal sentiments* regarding
the tragic terror attacks of 911, Bill:

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Bill Shatzer wrote:

And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.

It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.

Peace and justice,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


I think we can ALL do well to reflect on what kind of sick sociopath
would come up with those words in honor of 911...


Oh and let's add in your death threat against the President:

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Anyone else notice the similarities between Trump's attacks on the
"lying media" and "fake news" and the Nazi smear campaign against the
"Lugenpresse"?

You can, as they say, look it up.

This man must be stopped - peacefully if possible, otherwise if necessary.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


You'd best have some slick lawyering talk for secret Service when they
pay you a visit, Shitzie!
Curt Portland
2017-08-03 15:51:08 UTC
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Post by Bill Shatzer
Your reference doesn't say anything about the percentage
Help yourself to a suicide, you traitor.

I'm always reminded of YOUR very *special personal sentiments* regarding
the tragic terror attacks of 911, Bill:

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Bill Shatzer wrote:

And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.

It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.

Peace and justice,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


I think we can ALL do well to reflect on what kind of sick sociopath
would come up with those words in honor of 911...


Oh and let's add in your death threat against the President:

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Anyone else notice the similarities between Trump's attacks on the
"lying media" and "fake news" and the Nazi smear campaign against the
"Lugenpresse"?

You can, as they say, look it up.

This man must be stopped - peacefully if possible, otherwise if necessary.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


You'd best have some slick lawyering talk for secret Service when they
pay you a visit, Shitzie!

Spain
2017-07-29 20:07:28 UTC
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Sometimes there's justice for conservatives such as yourself,
sometimes, and you get a dose of what you wish on others. May you get
everything that's coming to you.
Fuck you straight to HELL, you leftard, single payer, statist,
traitorous scum!
tyre biter
2017-07-30 15:53:49 UTC
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Medicare has a far, far lower overhead than private
insurance. End of story.
Ever try to see the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?
Yes, I do it all the time. I have lots of Doctors here.
I've chosen each and everyone.
That's not typical of Obamacare. It's very limiting, in spite of
being much more expensive than what preceded it.
Then allow people to buy into the Medicare system on a "for profit"
basis (that would give Medicare more funding) and choose between
the private system and Medicare.
Ain't up to me. I just know that Obamacare was a major ass-fucking
that the
partisan sheep here insist on defending.
What it comes down to is the leftists want to tax the doers and give
to the do-nothings. They believe - incorrectly - that there is a
"right" to health care, meaning that if you can't afford any someone
must be compelled to provide it or pay for it for you, and the ACA
was the best they could do at the time. Everyone knows it was
designed to fail, so that leftists could say, "Oh, well - I guess the
only way to compel the doers to provide health care to the
do-nothings is through single payer."
1. There is no "right" to health care
2. /Some/ health care may be provided, at our discretion, to
do-nothings 3. The amount and the quality of health care provided to
do-nothings will not be, and should not be expected to be,
the same as what doers buy for themselves
That is anathema to leftists. They stupidly believe that do-nothing
crack whores and their little future criminals have a right to "free"
health care at the Mayo Clinic.
Totally spot on. In actual fact, though, there's never been a lack of
hospitals that treat patients while knowing they'll never make a dime
from them. But that situation has been getting progressively worse the
more government involves itself in health care.
Bull shit. Try going to any hospital and getting treatment without
insurance or the means to pay. You'll be sent "elsewhere".
WTF?!?!?!?

What the GODDAMNED HELL do you think ILLEGAL Mexicans do EVERY DAMNED
DAY????

YOU LYING MOTHERLFUCKER!

You worthless SCUMBAG!

https://unclesamsamerica.blogspot.com/2005/05/77-hospitals-file-bankruptcy-due-to.html

friday, may 06, 2005

77 Hospitals File Bankruptcy due to Illegal Immigrants
Illegal aliens bring Americans Third World Momentum. That includes
crime, drugs and diseases. Sooner or later, every American community and
millions of Americans will be affected as we allow three million illegal
aliens breaching our borders annually without regard to their health,
criminal background or drug expansion endeavors.

In TIME’S “WHO LEFT THE DOOR OPEN?” September 12, 2004, journalists
Barlett and Steele exposed the ugly side of this invasion.

“The plight of Jim Dickson, a hospital administrator in Bisbee, Arizona
summed it up in one image,” Barlett wrote. “It’s an ambulance that pulls
into Copper Queen Hospital and discharges illegal aliens injured in an
auto accident. The border patrol officers on orders from Washington
refused to take them onto the property. Instead, the officers call an
ambulance for the injured so the U.S. Government won’t be responsible
for hospital costs. Instead, Dickson’s hospital gets stiffed.”

In 2003, 77 border state hospitals spiraled into bankruptcy. Instead of
putting troops on the borders to stop the invasion, Arizona Senators
McCain and Kyle added a $1.4 billion bailout rider onto a Medicaid bill.
Instead of doing their jobs, they made taxpayers vomit their hard-earned
money into paying for the invasion’s consequences. Result? It wasn’t
enough. Three Los Angeles area hospitals bankrupted already this year.
Dickson’s small hospital lost $1.4 million in the past three years. “The
more free care we give,” he said, “the more we have to ration what’s left.”

Congress mandates hospitals serve illegal aliens but fails to mandate
payment. American citizens lose care and money to the invasion.

“The highest levels of the U.S. and Mexican governments have
orchestrated this situation as a kind of dance,” Steele reported.
“Mexico sends its poor north to take jobs illegally and the U.S. arrests
enough border crossers to create the illusion that it is enforcing
immigration laws while allowing the majority to get through.”

The crisis spins so far out of control that ranchers see a day of
reckoning fast approaching. Armed American militia forces stand ready to
start shooting. Everyone, including women, pack guns on the border.

Even more chilling than hospitals collapsing concerns an increasing
number of unchecked aliens importing diseases into the USA. In five
years, 16,000 cases of multi-drug-resistant tuberculosis breached the
Mexican border. In three years, 7,000 cases of leprosy (Hansen’s
Disease) arrived with immigrants from India, Brazil and the Caribbean.
Tens of thousands of cases of hepatitis A transplanted into America.
Another South American disease, affecting 14 million and killing 50,000
annually, Chagas Disease, a parasite that attacks the heart and other
organs, invades U.S. borders in the bodies of the unchecked illegal aliens.

The crisis of these diseases won’t play itself out for years. One TB
carrying illegal may infect 10 to 50 other persons depending on his/her
circulation in public. If he works in fast food, he may come in contact
with an unlimited number of people. If he has hepatitis A and serves on
the food line cutting onions or tomatoes, all customers stand at risk.
If illegal alien children, now number over 1.1 million in public schools
are infected, they can infect American children. This year, the Center
for Disease Control announced 14, 871 new cases of tuberculosis. It's
only the beginning.

Why Alien Criminals Are At Large in the U.S.

“From October 1, 2003 to July 20, 2004, the border patrol’s Tucson
sector stopped 9,051 person crossing illegal who had criminal records in
the U.S., meaning they committed crimes here, returned to Mexico, then
were trying to re-enter the country,” Barlett wrote. “A minimum of 378
had active warrants for their arrest.”

Most go undetected.

“The numbers suggest that tens of thousands of criminals, quite possibly
hundreds of thousands, treat the border as a revolving door to crimes of
opportunity,” Steele wrote. “The situation is so out of control that
400,000 illegal aliens who have been ordered deported, 80,000 have
criminal records, but Homeland Security does not have a clue as to the
whereabouts of any of them, including those from countries that support
terrorism.”

Of 114 Iranians with final orders for removal, only 11 could be found
and deported. Of 67 Sudanese with final removal orders, only one was
deported. Of 46 Iraqis, only four were deported. The rest are free to
move about the country.

Not mentioned in the report was the 20,000 member “18th Street Gang”
made up of 60% illegal aliens in Los Angeles. It distributes drugs from
Mexico, commits robberies daily, extorts businesses and engages in
drive-by shootings. Along with them, the 8,000 member MS 13 Central
American gangs operate in 28 cities. If anyone wonders why drugs are SO
available to our kids, thank our Congress for not fulfilling its oath of
office. Even more sobering, these alien criminals are protected in
hundreds of cities across the United States by “Special Order 40” that
allows them to remain in country without fear of arrest or deportation.

“Both parties and their candidates pay lip service to controlling the
borders,” Barlett wrote. “In the 99/11 commission’s final report, the
panel took note of the immigration breakdown saying, “’Two systemic
weaknesses came together in our border system’s inability to contribute
to an effective defense against 9/11 attacks: a lack of well developed
counterterrorism measures as a part of border security and an
immigration system not able to deliver on its basic commitments, much
less support counterterrorism.’”

The TIME report rendered severe implications toward President Bush and
members of Congress on both sides of the corridor. Citizens of the
United States were not being served before 9/11 and today, they are JUST
as vulnerable as 4,000 illegal aliens cross our borders daily. You have
to wonder when Beslan, Russia’s tragedy will visit an American school in
the near future?

Frosty Wooldridge is a teacher and author who has bicycled 100,000 miles
on six continents to see overpopulation up close and ugly. His explosive
book published August 13, 2004: ‘IMMIGRATION’S UNARMED INVASION—DEADLY
CONSEQUENCES.’ Copies may be obtained at: 1-888-280-7715 at
www.authorhouse.com.
Spain
2017-07-30 16:10:35 UTC
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otally spot on. In actual fact, though, there's never been a lack of
hospitals that treat patients while knowing they'll never make a dime
from them. But that situation has been getting progressively worse the
more government involves itself in health care.
Bull shit. Try going to any hospital and getting treatment without
insurance or the means to pay. You'll be sent "elsewhere".
WTF?!?!?!?

What the GODDAMNED HELL do you think ILLEGAL Mexicans do EVERY DAMNED
DAY????

YOU LYING MOTHERLFUCKER!

https://unclesamsamerica.blogspot.com/2005/05/77-hospitals-file-bankruptcy-due-to.html

friday, may 06, 2005

77 Hospitals File Bankruptcy due to Illegal Immigrants
Illegal aliens bring Americans Third World Momentum. That includes
crime, drugs and diseases. Sooner or later, every American community and
millions of Americans will be affected as we allow three million illegal
aliens breaching our borders annually without regard to their health,
criminal background or drug expansion endeavors.

In TIME’S “WHO LEFT THE DOOR OPEN?” September 12, 2004, journalists
Barlett and Steele exposed the ugly side of this invasion.

“The plight of Jim Dickson, a hospital administrator in Bisbee, Arizona
summed it up in one image,” Barlett wrote. “It’s an ambulance that pulls
into Copper Queen Hospital and discharges illegal aliens injured in an
auto accident. The border patrol officers on orders from Washington
refused to take them onto the property. Instead, the officers call an
ambulance for the injured so the U.S. Government won’t be responsible
for hospital costs. Instead, Dickson’s hospital gets stiffed.”

In 2003, 77 border state hospitals spiraled into bankruptcy. Instead of
putting troops on the borders to stop the invasion, Arizona Senators
McCain and Kyle added a $1.4 billion bailout rider onto a Medicaid bill.
Instead of doing their jobs, they made taxpayers vomit their hard-earned
money into paying for the invasion’s consequences. Result? It wasn’t
enough. Three Los Angeles area hospitals bankrupted already this year.
Dickson’s small hospital lost $1.4 million in the past three years. “The
more free care we give,” he said, “the more we have to ration what’s left.”

Congress mandates hospitals serve illegal aliens but fails to mandate
payment. American citizens lose care and money to the invasion.

“The highest levels of the U.S. and Mexican governments have
orchestrated this situation as a kind of dance,” Steele reported.
“Mexico sends its poor north to take jobs illegally and the U.S. arrests
enough border crossers to create the illusion that it is enforcing
immigration laws while allowing the majority to get through.”

The crisis spins so far out of control that ranchers see a day of
reckoning fast approaching. Armed American militia forces stand ready to
start shooting. Everyone, including women, pack guns on the border.

Even more chilling than hospitals collapsing concerns an increasing
number of unchecked aliens importing diseases into the USA. In five
years, 16,000 cases of multi-drug-resistant tuberculosis breached the
Mexican border. In three years, 7,000 cases of leprosy (Hansen’s
Disease) arrived with immigrants from India, Brazil and the Caribbean.
Tens of thousands of cases of hepatitis A transplanted into America.
Another South American disease, affecting 14 million and killing 50,000
annually, Chagas Disease, a parasite that attacks the heart and other
organs, invades U.S. borders in the bodies of the unchecked illegal aliens.

The crisis of these diseases won’t play itself out for years. One TB
carrying illegal may infect 10 to 50 other persons depending on his/her
circulation in public. If he works in fast food, he may come in contact
with an unlimited number of people. If he has hepatitis A and serves on
the food line cutting onions or tomatoes, all customers stand at risk.
If illegal alien children, now number over 1.1 million in public schools
are infected, they can infect American children. This year, the Center
for Disease Control announced 14, 871 new cases of tuberculosis. It's
only the beginning.

Why Alien Criminals Are At Large in the U.S.

“From October 1, 2003 to July 20, 2004, the border patrol’s Tucson
sector stopped 9,051 person crossing illegal who had criminal records in
the U.S., meaning they committed crimes here, returned to Mexico, then
were trying to re-enter the country,” Barlett wrote. “A minimum of 378
had active warrants for their arrest.”

Most go undetected.

“The numbers suggest that tens of thousands of criminals, quite possibly
hundreds of thousands, treat the border as a revolving door to crimes of
opportunity,” Steele wrote. “The situation is so out of control that
400,000 illegal aliens who have been ordered deported, 80,000 have
criminal records, but Homeland Security does not have a clue as to the
whereabouts of any of them, including those from countries that support
terrorism.”

Of 114 Iranians with final orders for removal, only 11 could be found
and deported. Of 67 Sudanese with final removal orders, only one was
deported. Of 46 Iraqis, only four were deported. The rest are free to
move about the country.

Not mentioned in the report was the 20,000 member “18th Street Gang”
made up of 60% illegal aliens in Los Angeles. It distributes drugs from
Mexico, commits robberies daily, extorts businesses and engages in
drive-by shootings. Along with them, the 8,000 member MS 13 Central
American gangs operate in 28 cities. If anyone wonders why drugs are SO
available to our kids, thank our Congress for not fulfilling its oath of
office. Even more sobering, these alien criminals are protected in
hundreds of cities across the United States by “Special Order 40” that
allows them to remain in country without fear of arrest or deportation.

“Both parties and their candidates pay lip service to controlling the
borders,” Barlett wrote. “In the 99/11 commission’s final report, the
panel took note of the immigration breakdown saying, “’Two systemic
weaknesses came together in our border system’s inability to contribute
to an effective defense against 9/11 attacks: a lack of well developed
counterterrorism measures as a part of border security and an
immigration system not able to deliver on its basic commitments, much
less support counterterrorism.’”

The TIME report rendered severe implications toward President Bush and
members of Congress on both sides of the corridor. Citizens of the
United States were not being served before 9/11 and today, they are JUST
as vulnerable as 4,000 illegal aliens cross our borders daily. You have
to wonder when Beslan, Russia’s tragedy will visit an American school in
the near future?

Frosty Wooldridge is a teacher and author who has bicycled 100,000 miles
on six continents to see overpopulation up close and ugly. His explosive
book published August 13, 2004: ‘IMMIGRATION’S UNARMED INVASION—DEADLY
CONSEQUENCES.’ Copies may be obtained at: 1-888-280-7715 at
www.authorhouse.com.
Al Czervik
2017-08-01 05:05:50 UTC
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otally spot on. In actual fact, though, there's never been a lack of
hospitals that treat patients while knowing they'll never make a dime
from them. But that situation has been getting progressively worse the
more government involves itself in health care.
Bull shit. Try going to any hospital and getting treatment without
insurance or the means to pay. You'll be sent "elsewhere".
This is a falsehood. There still is a Hippocratic oath.


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Spain
2017-07-30 16:11:52 UTC
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So it's the job of government to stand by and watch as the 1% rips off
the 99%? Figures.
WTF?!?!?!?

What the GODDAMNED HELL do you think ILLEGAL Mexicans do EVERY DAMNED
DAY????

YOU LYING MOTHERLFUCKER!

You worthless SCUMBAG!

https://unclesamsamerica.blogspot.com/2005/05/77-hospitals-file-bankruptcy-due-to.html

friday, may 06, 2005

77 Hospitals File Bankruptcy due to Illegal Immigrants
Illegal aliens bring Americans Third World Momentum. That includes
crime, drugs and diseases. Sooner or later, every American community and
millions of Americans will be affected as we allow three million illegal
aliens breaching our borders annually without regard to their health,
criminal background or drug expansion endeavors.

In TIME’S “WHO LEFT THE DOOR OPEN?” September 12, 2004, journalists
Barlett and Steele exposed the ugly side of this invasion.

“The plight of Jim Dickson, a hospital administrator in Bisbee, Arizona
summed it up in one image,” Barlett wrote. “It’s an ambulance that pulls
into Copper Queen Hospital and discharges illegal aliens injured in an
auto accident. The border patrol officers on orders from Washington
refused to take them onto the property. Instead, the officers call an
ambulance for the injured so the U.S. Government won’t be responsible
for hospital costs. Instead, Dickson’s hospital gets stiffed.”

In 2003, 77 border state hospitals spiraled into bankruptcy. Instead of
putting troops on the borders to stop the invasion, Arizona Senators
McCain and Kyle added a $1.4 billion bailout rider onto a Medicaid bill.
Instead of doing their jobs, they made taxpayers vomit their hard-earned
money into paying for the invasion’s consequences. Result? It wasn’t
enough. Three Los Angeles area hospitals bankrupted already this year.
Dickson’s small hospital lost $1.4 million in the past three years. “The
more free care we give,” he said, “the more we have to ration what’s left.”

Congress mandates hospitals serve illegal aliens but fails to mandate
payment. American citizens lose care and money to the invasion.

“The highest levels of the U.S. and Mexican governments have
orchestrated this situation as a kind of dance,” Steele reported.
“Mexico sends its poor north to take jobs illegally and the U.S. arrests
enough border crossers to create the illusion that it is enforcing
immigration laws while allowing the majority to get through.”

The crisis spins so far out of control that ranchers see a day of
reckoning fast approaching. Armed American militia forces stand ready to
start shooting. Everyone, including women, pack guns on the border.

Even more chilling than hospitals collapsing concerns an increasing
number of unchecked aliens importing diseases into the USA. In five
years, 16,000 cases of multi-drug-resistant tuberculosis breached the
Mexican border. In three years, 7,000 cases of leprosy (Hansen’s
Disease) arrived with immigrants from India, Brazil and the Caribbean.
Tens of thousands of cases of hepatitis A transplanted into America.
Another South American disease, affecting 14 million and killing 50,000
annually, Chagas Disease, a parasite that attacks the heart and other
organs, invades U.S. borders in the bodies of the unchecked illegal aliens.

The crisis of these diseases won’t play itself out for years. One TB
carrying illegal may infect 10 to 50 other persons depending on his/her
circulation in public. If he works in fast food, he may come in contact
with an unlimited number of people. If he has hepatitis A and serves on
the food line cutting onions or tomatoes, all customers stand at risk.
If illegal alien children, now number over 1.1 million in public schools
are infected, they can infect American children. This year, the Center
for Disease Control announced 14, 871 new cases of tuberculosis. It's
only the beginning.

Why Alien Criminals Are At Large in the U.S.

“From October 1, 2003 to July 20, 2004, the border patrol’s Tucson
sector stopped 9,051 person crossing illegal who had criminal records in
the U.S., meaning they committed crimes here, returned to Mexico, then
were trying to re-enter the country,” Barlett wrote. “A minimum of 378
had active warrants for their arrest.”

Most go undetected.

“The numbers suggest that tens of thousands of criminals, quite possibly
hundreds of thousands, treat the border as a revolving door to crimes of
opportunity,” Steele wrote. “The situation is so out of control that
400,000 illegal aliens who have been ordered deported, 80,000 have
criminal records, but Homeland Security does not have a clue as to the
whereabouts of any of them, including those from countries that support
terrorism.”

Of 114 Iranians with final orders for removal, only 11 could be found
and deported. Of 67 Sudanese with final removal orders, only one was
deported. Of 46 Iraqis, only four were deported. The rest are free to
move about the country.

Not mentioned in the report was the 20,000 member “18th Street Gang”
made up of 60% illegal aliens in Los Angeles. It distributes drugs from
Mexico, commits robberies daily, extorts businesses and engages in
drive-by shootings. Along with them, the 8,000 member MS 13 Central
American gangs operate in 28 cities. If anyone wonders why drugs are SO
available to our kids, thank our Congress for not fulfilling its oath of
office. Even more sobering, these alien criminals are protected in
hundreds of cities across the United States by “Special Order 40” that
allows them to remain in country without fear of arrest or deportation.

“Both parties and their candidates pay lip service to controlling the
borders,” Barlett wrote. “In the 99/11 commission’s final report, the
panel took note of the immigration breakdown saying, “’Two systemic
weaknesses came together in our border system’s inability to contribute
to an effective defense against 9/11 attacks: a lack of well developed
counterterrorism measures as a part of border security and an
immigration system not able to deliver on its basic commitments, much
less support counterterrorism.’”

The TIME report rendered severe implications toward President Bush and
members of Congress on both sides of the corridor. Citizens of the
United States were not being served before 9/11 and today, they are JUST
as vulnerable as 4,000 illegal aliens cross our borders daily. You have
to wonder when Beslan, Russia’s tragedy will visit an American school in
the near future?

Frosty Wooldridge is a teacher and author who has bicycled 100,000 miles
on six continents to see overpopulation up close and ugly. His explosive
book published August 13, 2004: ‘IMMIGRATION’S UNARMED INVASION—DEADLY
CONSEQUENCES.’ Copies may be obtained at: 1-888-280-7715 at
www.authorhouse.com.
Spain
2017-07-30 16:12:49 UTC
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You have no "right" to live at the expense of others.
But, you'd never apply that to yourself, would you?
Thanks to OBUMMER!

Thanks to HIS and PELOSI's single payer Trojan Horse ACA!

You GODDAMNED NATION KILLER - YOU WILL PAY!
Al Czervik
2017-08-01 04:26:32 UTC
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Why lie? Medicare has a far, far lower overhead than private
insurance. End of story.
Ever try to actually SEE the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?
Medicare caters to the elderly who are much, much more likely to be sick
- therefore more of medicare's outlays are to payments. Also, medicare
is exempt from federal and state taxes that fall under the
"administration". Also, according to Harvard Business School, up to 20%
of private insurance's "administration" is fraud prevention. For the
most part, medicare doesn't care about fraud.

On a per-person comparison medicare's administration is about 25% more
expensive than private insurance.


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Baxter
2017-08-01 05:03:29 UTC
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Post by Al Czervik
Post by tyre biter
Why lie? Medicare has a far, far lower overhead than private
insurance. End of story.
Ever try to actually SEE the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?
Medicare caters to the elderly who are much, much more likely to be sick
- therefore more of medicare's outlays are to payments. Also, medicare
is exempt from federal and state taxes that fall under the
"administration". Also, according to Harvard Business School, up to 20%
of private insurance's "administration" is fraud prevention. For the
most part, medicare doesn't care about fraud.
On a per-person comparison medicare's administration is about 25% more
expensive than private insurance.
Rightards keep forgetting "profit"

And medicare per-person spending is falling - not rising
Al Czervik
2017-08-01 05:19:06 UTC
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Post by Al Czervik
Post by tyre biter
Why lie? Medicare has a far, far lower overhead than private
insurance. End of story.
Ever try to actually SEE the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?
Medicare caters to the elderly who are much, much more likely to be sick
- therefore more of medicare's outlays are to payments. Also, medicare
is exempt from federal and state taxes that fall under the
"administration". Also, according to Harvard Business School, up to 20%
of private insurance's "administration" is fraud prevention. For the
most part, medicare doesn't care about fraud.
On a per-person comparison medicare's administration is about 25% more
expensive than private insurance.
Rightards keep forgetting "profit"
And medicare per-person spending is falling - not rising
This is another bald-faced liberal lie. The rate of expenses is not
going up as fast as projected.



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Curt Portland
2017-08-01 16:06:12 UTC
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Rightards keep
But first your heart is spasming again, innit?

Better take your nitroglycerin pills, bypass boy, your arteries are
clogging up again...


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"At my age, I don't need balls. I'm done with the procreation stuff."
"I've been around pimps before (as a "slumlord")..."
Curt Portland
2017-08-02 15:09:36 UTC
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forgetting "profit"
But first your heart is spasming again, innit?

Better take your nitroglycerin pills, bypass boy, your arteries are
clogging up again...


| \ \ | |/ /
| |\ `' ' /
| ;'aorta \ / , pulmonary
| ; _, | / / , arteries
superior | | ( `-.;_,-' '-' ,
vena cava | `, `-._ _,-'_
|,-`. `.) ,<_,-'_, pulmonary
,' `. / ,' `;-' _, veins
; `./ /`, \-'
| right / | ;\ |\
| atrium ;_,._|_, `, ' \
| \ \ ` `,
` __ ` \ left ;,
\ ,' ` \, ventricle
\_( ;, ;;
| \ `;, ;;
inferior | |`. `;;, ;'
vena cava | | `-. ;;;;,;' FL
| | |`-.._ ,;;;;;'
| | | | ``';;;'
aorta





BAXTURD's PETER METER

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| |
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| | ,-%/%|
| 6 | _,-' \//%\
| | _,-' \%/|%
| 3 | / / ) __,-- /%\
| | \__/_,-'%(% ; %)%
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__________________________________________________________________________
"At my age, I don't need balls. I'm done with the procreation stuff."
"I've been around pimps before (as a "slumlord")..."
a322x1n
2017-08-01 09:19:47 UTC
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Post by Al Czervik
Post by tyre biter
Why lie? Medicare has a far, far lower overhead than private
insurance. End of story.
Ever try to actually SEE the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?
Medicare caters to the elderly who are much, much more likely to be
sick - therefore more of medicare's outlays are to payments. Also,
medicare is exempt from federal and state taxes that fall under the
"administration". Also, according to Harvard Business School, up to
20% of private insurance's "administration" is fraud prevention. For
the most part, medicare doesn't care about fraud.
So, the FBI hasn't ever sent a boat load of people to jail for Medicare
Fraud? Medicare does a great deal about fraud prevention. What else
have you lied about?

<https://www.medicare.gov/forms-help-and-resources/report-fraud-and-abuse
/prevent-fraud/tips-to-prevent-fraud.html>

<http://tinyurl.com/yc6z34jy>

<https://www.cms.gov/Outreach-and-Education/Medicare-Learning-Network-MLN
/MLNProducts/downloads/fraud_and_abuse.pdf>

<http://tinyurl.com/ya6q9tpm>

Those are just for starts!!!
Post by Al Czervik
On a per-person comparison medicare's administration is about 25% more
expensive than private insurance.
Oh, you lie about that too!
Al Czervik
2017-08-01 12:56:06 UTC
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Post by Al Czervik
Post by tyre biter
Why lie? Medicare has a far, far lower overhead than private
insurance. End of story.
Ever try to actually SEE the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?
Medicare caters to the elderly who are much, much more likely to be
sick - therefore more of medicare's outlays are to payments. Also,
medicare is exempt from federal and state taxes that fall under the
"administration". Also, according to Harvard Business School, up to
20% of private insurance's "administration" is fraud prevention. For
the most part, medicare doesn't care about fraud.
So, the FBI hasn't ever sent a boat load of people to jail for Medicare
Fraud? Medicare does a great deal about fraud prevention. What else
have you lied about?
Are you going to add the FBI's budget to medicare's "administrative"
costs? That blows the shit out of the argument about medicare being less
expensive to operate. Medicare doesn't care because it's not their money.
Post by a322x1n
Post by Al Czervik
On a per-person comparison medicare's administration is about 25% more
expensive than private insurance.
Oh, you lie about that too!
It is true:
http://www.heritage.org/health-care-reform/report/medicare-administrative-costs-are-higher-not-lower-private-insurance


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Curt Portland
2017-08-01 16:23:12 UTC
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Post by Al Czervik
On a per-person comparison medicare's administration is about 25% more
expensive than private insurance.
Oh, you lie about that too!
YOU are the liar, shit for brains:


https://www.yahoo.com/news/myth-medicares-low-administrative-costs-193514877.html

Medicare has higher administrative costs per beneficiary

A more accurate measure of overhead would therefore be the
administrative costs per patient, rather than per dollar of medical
expenses. And by that measure, even with all the administrative
advantages Medicare has over private coverage, the program's
administrative costs are actually significantly higher than those of
private insurers. In 2005, for example, Robert Book has shown that
private insurers spent $453 per beneficiary on administrative costs,
compared to $509 for Medicare. (Indeed, Robert has written the
definitive paper on this subject, from which the above figure is taken.)

Remember these points the next time someone tries to tell you that
Medicare is “more efficient” than private insurance.

UPDATE: Tim Worstall points out in the comments that we should also
count the deadweight costs of tax collection as part of Medicare's
administrative costs (say, 20% of the amount collected).
Bill Shatzer
2017-08-01 19:48:51 UTC
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Post by Al Czervik
Post by tyre biter
Why lie? Medicare has a far, far lower overhead than private
insurance. End of story.
Ever try to actually SEE the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?
Medicare caters to the elderly who are much, much more likely to be sick
- therefore more of medicare's outlays are to payments. Also, medicare
is exempt from federal and state taxes that fall under the
"administration". Also, according to Harvard Business School, up to 20%
of private insurance's "administration" is fraud prevention. For the
most part, medicare doesn't care about fraud.
On a per-person comparison medicare's administration is about 25% more
expensive than private insurance.
C'mon! How much can it cost to service an inactive insurance account?

If folks aren't making claims, the administrative expenses are pretty
much limited to cashing the premium checks and sending out a glossy four
color brochure once a year.

peace and justice,
Curt Portland
2017-08-01 19:50:20 UTC
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How much can it cost to service an inactive insurance account?
YOU are the liar, shit for brains:


https://www.yahoo.com/news/myth-medicares-low-administrative-costs-193514877.html

Medicare has higher administrative costs per beneficiary

A more accurate measure of overhead would therefore be the
administrative costs per patient, rather than per dollar of medical
expenses. And by that measure, even with all the administrative
advantages Medicare has over private coverage, the program's
administrative costs are actually significantly higher than those of
private insurers. In 2005, for example, Robert Book has shown that
private insurers spent $453 per beneficiary on administrative costs,
compared to $509 for Medicare. (Indeed, Robert has written the
definitive paper on this subject, from which the above figure is taken.)

Remember these points the next time someone tries to tell you that
Medicare is “more efficient” than private insurance.

UPDATE: Tim Worstall points out in the comments that we should also
count the deadweight costs of tax collection as part of Medicare's
administrative costs (say, 20% of the amount collected).
Al Czervik
2017-08-02 04:25:18 UTC
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Post by Al Czervik
Post by tyre biter
Why lie? Medicare has a far, far lower overhead than private
insurance. End of story.
Ever try to actually SEE the doctor you PREFER on Medicare?
Medicare caters to the elderly who are much, much more likely to be sick
- therefore more of medicare's outlays are to payments. Also, medicare
is exempt from federal and state taxes that fall under the
"administration". Also, according to Harvard Business School, up to 20%
of private insurance's "administration" is fraud prevention. For the
most part, medicare doesn't care about fraud.
On a per-person comparison medicare's administration is about 25% more
expensive than private insurance.
C'mon! How much can it cost to service an inactive insurance account?
If folks aren't making claims, the administrative expenses are pretty
much limited to cashing the premium checks and sending out a glossy four
color brochure once a year.
I understand that you want to spin this somehow but people deal with
DMV, DOL, DOR, etc. everyday. They see every big government construction
project late and over-budget. Many are vets that deal with the
clusterfuck known as the VA. You are never going to convince people that
somehow, someway the government got their shit right WRT health care.

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Curt Portland
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C'mon! How much can it cost
Help yourself to a suicide, you traitor.

I'm always reminded of YOUR very *special personal sentiments* regarding
the tragic terror attacks of 911, Bill:

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Bill Shatzer wrote:

And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.

It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.

Peace and justice,
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I think we can ALL do well to reflect on what kind of sick sociopath
would come up with those words in honor of 911...


Oh and let's add in your death threat against the President:

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Anyone else notice the similarities between Trump's attacks on the
"lying media" and "fake news" and the Nazi smear campaign against the
"Lugenpresse"?

You can, as they say, look it up.

This man must be stopped - peacefully if possible, otherwise if necessary.

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You'd best have some slick lawyering talk for secret Service when they
pay you a visit, Shitzie!
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